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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

OP posts:
Princessfluffy · 04/12/2024 19:54

OP will you be able to get your own health back whilst your brother is staying with you? Because this is surely paramount.

JawsCushion · 04/12/2024 21:05

Don't make assumptions that people who announce their suicide plans are bluffing. It's not always the case.

umdontdothat · 04/12/2024 22:37

@JawsCushion
What practical solutions do you suggest for OP's situation?
Whether DB is suicidal or not, announces he is or doesn't, this still doesn't address the fact that OP is ill herself, has a recovering DH and a teen DD who has significant challenges.
OP hasn't got the bandwidth to cope with this situation.

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JawsCushion · 04/12/2024 22:57

umdontdothat · 04/12/2024 22:37

@JawsCushion
What practical solutions do you suggest for OP's situation?
Whether DB is suicidal or not, announces he is or doesn't, this still doesn't address the fact that OP is ill herself, has a recovering DH and a teen DD who has significant challenges.
OP hasn't got the bandwidth to cope with this situation.

I should have tagged the poster I was responding to as it wasn't the OP and it certainly wasn't a dig at her, as you are trying to imply.

Lallydallydune · 04/12/2024 23:43

JawsCushion · 04/12/2024 21:05

Don't make assumptions that people who announce their suicide plans are bluffing. It's not always the case.

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Lallydallydune · 04/12/2024 23:45

I hope you're feeling a bit better OP.

I send you a hug.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 07:18

Hi all, sorry for the radio silence yesterday. Started the day loosing my shit with my brother, the speaking to his crisis team and went straight into a very long day at work, back home to have yet another talk with brother and husband, then bed.

I gave him an ultimatum, I told him that I am on the verge of a complete breakdown myself, I reminded him that this is mine, DH's and DD's home and they are my priority. He was then uncontrollably sobbing and demanding of hugs. TBH I just felt numb/cold.

He called the crisis team as he was waiting for the consultant to prescribe new meds. I asked to speak to them and I told them that it wasn't possible to accommodate him at home and how could we ensure continuity of care when he goes home. The MH nurse was excellent and are going to liaise with his team in his home city (who actually called him yesterday to check up on him - so his statement about being abandoned by them is crap). The psychiatrist wants to see him and me next Tuesday. It's clear that it's wholly unrealistic that he starts the talking therapies on offer as they won't start for months. So I told him he needs to engage with a private therapist - he wants them to be local to me, I said that's fine, but they also need to offer online therapy so he can still use them when he leaves.

I had another chat with him when I was home later, with DH there. He did say at one point he expected his family to "be there" for him (i.e. let him stay) and another comment about how he should just check himself into hospital (not that I think you can just "check in"'these days) and I did not let either of those lie, I will not be emotionally blackmailed any more. I've said he needs to be out of here by the beginning of January. I know many of you will think he should be leaving now but realistically, he won't start new meds until next week, and I said he could stay for the first couple of weeks on them as I know you can have some nasty side effects initially. Then we're into Christmas. He's calling some friends to see if he can go there rather than home for a bit.

DD came into the room and gave bro a hug and kiss, said we love you but I need my study back, I'm going into a really important few months, then lots of very intuitive things about how he needs to return to normality, maintain his job, find resources in his local area. I was bloody impressed and proud of her for showing such compassion but also vocalising what she needs.

I'm pissed off as he asked me if he could contact a good friend of mine who lives on the same street who is a great guy and very giving and compassionate. I dissuaded him from doing so as he and his wife (also a v good friend) really supported me last year with DH (they were my rocks) and didn't want them to be burdened by yet another crisis in my family. He did it anyway, and my friend has now over promised nice things such as taking him on walks, to a local men's group etc. but also that he can have a key and free access to their home and I am really upset as he probably didn't even run that past his wife and they have their 18 yr old daughter in the house to consider! So I've got to nip that one in the bud now.

OP posts:
SheilaFentiman · 05/12/2024 07:19

Op, well done to you and your DD.

LAMPS1 · 05/12/2024 07:42

Well done OP. You are seeing the bigger picture and your DD is right behind you. What amazing insight and courage from her. It’s good you are telling your brother what is happening going forward rather than allowing him to dictate.
I hope you feel better soon OP. I really wish you three could have a few days on your own before Christmas.
Would it be possible for your father to relent enough to give you just a few days respite before then?

CatHole · 05/12/2024 07:48

Well done.

My troubled sibling called last night, first time in ages. I put the phone down and gentle, mild mannered DH said ' what did he want'. Since we only get called.in the bad times.

It was a big confession but it wasn't the focus of the call. I haven't been part of his most recent recovery, I'm also not a problem but I think because he grew up together I am associated with troubled times. He's needed to break free from everything to just push forward building a more stable life.

AlbertCamusflage · 05/12/2024 08:00

Thinking of you, OP. Stay firm. Stick to your start-of-January boundary. Firm boundaries aren't unkind. They are completely compatible with compassionate support, as you and your daughter are demonstrating.
I do feel for your brother, but his behaviour and attitudes are putting much more than reasonable demands on you. Hopefully the therapy (when he eventually gets it) can focus on his intense need to enlist others as his support humans. Perhaps in part this need is a source of his unhappiness, not a solution of it.

Princessfluffy · 05/12/2024 08:05

If you feel you may be on the edge of a breakdown I would strongly advise you not to actually let things go any further OP. An actual breakdown is to be avoided at all costs.

You need your physical and mental health back
Dd needs her space back and to be able to relax in her home
DH needs a relaxing home and a happier healthier wife.

You don't have to wait several days for a new prescription followed by two weeks of settling in for possible side effects followed by Xmas followed by New Year. That's all under the category of "nice to do if you can". You can't.

SheilaFentiman · 05/12/2024 08:12

Is there any scope for your dad to contribute by paying for DBro to stay in an Airbnb or hotel near you for a couple of weeks? Then you or DH could call in or he could come over for dinner, but DD would get her space back and nobody would be knocking on your door at 5am

Princessfluffy · 05/12/2024 08:13

Side effects (if there are any) are likely to be nausea/headache/diarrhoea/loss of libido/dizziness/dry mouth. I think your bro could manage this himself with GP/mental health team support.

Stop setting yourself on fire. It's not unloving or irresponsible to support your bro without letting him live with you.
His needs are not more important than your own and those of your own family.

kerstina · 05/12/2024 08:44

I have suffered a breakdown so have a lot of empathy for your brother but he does need to wake up to himself that he is being selfish. His illness is trumping everybody else needs and feelings especially as you are unwell yourself . You sound like a wonderful person but you need to remember you and your family are important to and to be able to help him you would need to be in a better place yourself. Obviously be aware for suicidal feelings . Try and seek more practical support from the GP for him but he needs to try and help himself to.

Gillettethebest · 05/12/2024 09:00

DD came into the room and gave bro a hug and kiss, said we love you but I need my study back, I'm going into a really important few months, then lots of very intuitive things about how he needs to return to normality, maintain his job, find resources in his local area. I was bloody impressed and proud of her for showing such compassion but also vocalising what she needs

Yes that is very impressive she was able to show compassion and still clearly articulate what she needs first and foremost but also what he needs! Your daughter handled that very well indeed and it gives me hope she will break the cycle of women in your family having to prioritise mens well being over their own.

Westofeasttoday · 05/12/2024 09:06

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:17

You are all absolutely right - and even though it's kind of harsh to hear that I've been enabling him and not prioritising my family, it actually helps and gives me the headspace to look at what's really been happening. All I've felt is obligation, guilt (and of course love) but I cannot jeopardise DH and DD's wellbeing.

Hey. Be kind to yourself! You sound like a loving and caring sister who only wants the best for your brother.

Sometimes it’s hard to see the wood for the trees but breaking the cycle of over dependence on you will only be good for everyone.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 05/12/2024 09:19

Oh OP, he's incredibly manipulative, give him an inch and he'll try and take the lot. So sorry he's doing this to you even after all your long talks.
I don't understand why he's still trying to get therapy local to you, when he knows he has to leave. Same with involving your friend -he is doing everything he can to put down footholds now. Then when you tell him it's time to leave, he will say you are tearing him away from the support he has. He needs to set it all up for the place he will be in after Christmas.

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 09:25

He 'expects' does he? What about you, your husband, your daughter? Who is 'expected' to be there for you, in the way you have been there for your brother, since you were SEVEN?! I'd be 'expecting' him to see that he has gone to the well once too often, this well is well and truly dry, and he needs to start searching for other wells to fulfill his wants and needs.

And it would be bloody nice if your father and mother could support you in that, realising that you simply do not have the resources to continue parenting your brother.

TPJB · 05/12/2024 09:40

He really is so needy, isn't he. I do hope you can get through to your friend so that the burden isn't passed on to him.

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 09:45

@inigomontoyahwillcox I’m so glad you have started to see through his emotional manipulation to get his wants met, his tears asking for hugs is all to guilt trip you and manipulate, you are seeing through it and staying firm.
The reason your brother rang your friends up is because he knows you are serious, no matter how much he cries, guilt trips you it’s not working and you will be putting your little family first so he is lining up another safe house so he can get sympathy and be centre of attention. He knows they are compassionate people who he use to get his wants met, don’t be surprised if he tries to turn them against you to gain pity as the poor abandoned brother! Once he has squeezed every last drop of compassion from them he will try to come back to your house or if knocked back will go to your parents even if they refuse.
Your daughter is amazing, she was compassionate yet stated her needs.

I’m reading a book called ‘not nice’ by Dr Aziz Gazipura on my kindle, he explains that being nice does not come out of goodness or high morals. It comes out of a fear of displeasing others and receiving their disapproval. It’s driven by fear, not virtue. Being nice, people pleasing causes people to be stressed, overwhelmed, anxious, guilt and resentful. They had difficulty in standing up for themselves, felt obligated and worried about what people thought of them. That trying your hardest being nice is blocking you from standing up for yourself, being honest with others, causing you to be burnt out and less loving. That nice is very different than kindness, compassion and love and being nice is not necessarily the same thing as being a good person.
He explains how the opposite of nice isn’t being a twat, it’s not insulting others, bullying or being horrible, the opposite of being nice is being real, being direct, honest and truthful.

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Dontbeme · 05/12/2024 09:49

he asked me if he could contact a good friend of mine who lives on the same street who is a great guy and very giving and compassionate. I dissuaded him from doing so as he and his wife (also a v good friend) really supported me last year with DH (they were my rocks) and didn't want them to be burdened by yet another crisis in my family. He did it anyway, and my friend has now over promised nice things such as taking him on walks, to a local men's group etc. but also that he can have a key and free access to their home

So you don't react the way he demands, so he's now targeting your friend? You do realize he has no intention of leaving, he's setting up a support network with your friend and has now planted himself long-term in your home. I would be expecting a big, dramatic breakdown possibly on Christmas day for full impact, but it's coming.

Also wtf is your friend thinking giving an unrelated grown man free reign to his house when he has an 18 year old daughter in the house? You need to intervene ASAP, do you really want another family held hostage by this? Do you really want your friends 18 year old to find your DB if he acts on suicidal ideation? You all need to hand this over to professionals as this is beyond family help.

Forget listening to your DB, look at what he's actually doing, he's planning on staying in your house, he's set up local counseling, local medical support, he's now enlisted your friends as support, he's going nowhere OP, and furthermore he will isolate you from supportive friends, he's targeted this family as they were supportive of you, your brother is not going to let you have anything for yourself not a DH, not a DD and now not supportive friends. He's really learned from your Dad with demanding sole attention always

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 09:54

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 09:25

He 'expects' does he? What about you, your husband, your daughter? Who is 'expected' to be there for you, in the way you have been there for your brother, since you were SEVEN?! I'd be 'expecting' him to see that he has gone to the well once too often, this well is well and truly dry, and he needs to start searching for other wells to fulfill his wants and needs.

And it would be bloody nice if your father and mother could support you in that, realising that you simply do not have the resources to continue parenting your brother.

Op’s brother has rang up her compassionate friends up the road (who were very supportive to Op last year) searching for another well to fulfil his wants and needs. They promised to take him on walks, to take him to a local men’s club and give him a key so he has free access to their home. I don’t think their 18 year old daughter will be impressed with a stranger letting himself in the house.

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 09:58

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 09:54

Op’s brother has rang up her compassionate friends up the road (who were very supportive to Op last year) searching for another well to fulfil his wants and needs. They promised to take him on walks, to take him to a local men’s club and give him a key so he has free access to their home. I don’t think their 18 year old daughter will be impressed with a stranger letting himself in the house.

Edited

Argh. . . not quite the 'other wells' that I meant! I was thinking more along the lines of GENUINELY engaging with mental health services - in HIS home town. . .

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 10:11

Dontbeme · 05/12/2024 09:49

he asked me if he could contact a good friend of mine who lives on the same street who is a great guy and very giving and compassionate. I dissuaded him from doing so as he and his wife (also a v good friend) really supported me last year with DH (they were my rocks) and didn't want them to be burdened by yet another crisis in my family. He did it anyway, and my friend has now over promised nice things such as taking him on walks, to a local men's group etc. but also that he can have a key and free access to their home

So you don't react the way he demands, so he's now targeting your friend? You do realize he has no intention of leaving, he's setting up a support network with your friend and has now planted himself long-term in your home. I would be expecting a big, dramatic breakdown possibly on Christmas day for full impact, but it's coming.

Also wtf is your friend thinking giving an unrelated grown man free reign to his house when he has an 18 year old daughter in the house? You need to intervene ASAP, do you really want another family held hostage by this? Do you really want your friends 18 year old to find your DB if he acts on suicidal ideation? You all need to hand this over to professionals as this is beyond family help.

Forget listening to your DB, look at what he's actually doing, he's planning on staying in your house, he's set up local counseling, local medical support, he's now enlisted your friends as support, he's going nowhere OP, and furthermore he will isolate you from supportive friends, he's targeted this family as they were supportive of you, your brother is not going to let you have anything for yourself not a DH, not a DD and now not supportive friends. He's really learned from your Dad with demanding sole attention always

This 🖕100%
You brother is planning on staying in your house, setting up local counselling, local medical support, targeting your friends for his own wants and needs. Your brother won’t be going nowhere and he wants you all to himself, he doesn’t want you have anything for yourself, no DH, no DD nor supportive friends.

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