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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 22:29

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 22:27

He then started laying on the guilt trip that he might end up on the streets with just a blanket to keep him warm. FFS

Your Dads emotional blackmail is so wrong, perhaps remind him that your brother is their child in fact and not your child? And that you already have a child who is a minor and must take priority!

Does your Dad know about your husbands attempt suicide? If so, that’s even worse because he knows just how much you have to deal with your brother.

I’’m amazed at everything you’re handling because between your brother and your husband and your daughters struggles and having a job etc you have so much on. Please take care of yourself because that’s a lot and you don’t want to burn out /breakdown because you’re looking after everyone else.

Yes my dad very well knows about DH's attempts and everything we've been through recently.

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Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 22:32

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 22:24

Hi thanks for that.

No it's just that my brother, like many people with long termmental health issues, is very extreme. I

f I ever answer a call from him, he's always talking about wanting to commit suicide.

This always leaves me in a permanent state of anxiety. And I'm always worrying that he ll kill himself. I always feel dread and worry about it, which stops me being happy.

I'm not sure how to manage that ?

I see - that is really tough. Yeah I can imagine that would be very anxiety inducing and tbh I’ve no idea how I’d handle that other than helping him to lean into mental health services?

I did have a mother who did that to me during my teens and I had to talk her off the metaphorical ledge out of fear she was going to die by suicide, which IMO damaged our already unhealthy relationship forever.

I have my own trauma and struggled with my mental health from childhood, but precisely due to my own experiences I just couldn’t imagine putting all that on another person. So I do struggle with that kind of constant off loading from some people.

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 22:38

inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 22:29

Yes my dad very well knows about DH's attempts and everything we've been through recently.

OK well that’s particularly awful he would try and guilt you like this and put so much on you.

I get that your parents are getting on in years and I think you mentioned some health issues, but you have done so much already for your brother and again he is not your child.

He has no right to make you feel bad, if he’s that worried he can always step up himself for his own son.

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TPJB · 03/12/2024 22:47

SeamsLegit · 03/12/2024 22:14

I'm fuming at the emotional blackmail from your father - it's so unfair, and rankles even more coming from someone who has already refused to take your brother, his own son. I wish you could have your home back sooner. I have no doubt your health is stress related. Hugs xx

Same. I think your parents are selfish. They are washing their hands of the responsibility and landing it all on you.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 23:00

SeamsLegit · 03/12/2024 22:14

I'm fuming at the emotional blackmail from your father - it's so unfair, and rankles even more coming from someone who has already refused to take your brother, his own son. I wish you could have your home back sooner. I have no doubt your health is stress related. Hugs xx

It's horrible. I didn't quite realise at the time but when I put the phone down after the conversation I was so angry. He's basically saying if something happens to my brother it's my fault.

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Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 23:03

inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 23:00

It's horrible. I didn't quite realise at the time but when I put the phone down after the conversation I was so angry. He's basically saying if something happens to my brother it's my fault.

It's not unusual.

In a family, people often don't want to care for someone, so they will try to guilt trip a person into doing it.

I've received a few guilt trips before.

Stand strong and don't fall for it.

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 23:09

It’s good you have found your anger, OP - lean into it.

I thought it was a bit off upthread when your mum initially said it’s not your responsibility then did a 180 after speaking to your Dad who said they couldn’t help take the pressure off you after all, but this is even worse - they are actively increasing the pressure.

It’s been mentioned in the thread before but I think boiling frog analogy applies here too, maybe over the years your parents have just let you take on more and more of their responsibilities, to the point where roles are muddled and they actually feel entitled to have you be solely responsible for taking care of your brother.

TPJB · 03/12/2024 23:27

What would happen if you said to your parents ‘I am sorry. We just can’t cope. Brother is on his way to stay with you’. They surely wouldn’t turn him away.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 23:33

TPJB · 03/12/2024 23:27

What would happen if you said to your parents ‘I am sorry. We just can’t cope. Brother is on his way to stay with you’. They surely wouldn’t turn him away.

Well he's done that in the past - brother that is - he's called my parents and said he's coming up and they've said no, but he turned up anyway. He ended up living with them for about a year whilst he recovered from that particular episode and then looked for a job.

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SpryCat · 04/12/2024 00:03

Your dad is laying on the guilt as he knows that pressing them buttons usually gets you to take responsibility so he doesn’t have to.
You have had so much to deal with the last year, your body is telling you to rest, you are ill because your caring for everyone and not yourself but if you carry on you go under. You can’t deal with your brother’s depression as you are too vulnerable, he will have to go back home or to your parents in the next day or two because if he stays for Christmas OP you won’t be able to shift him.

SpryCat · 04/12/2024 00:09

I would sit down with him and your dh tomorrow and tell him you are too ill and exhausted and can’t cope, he will have to go home or to your parents. He has his car so can drive there and you get your house back and you can rest, you all need it.

Gymnopedie · 04/12/2024 01:43

OP I'm angry at your dad and I don't know him from Adam. He and your mum are making all the right noises, being very sympathetic to you and saying how cross they are with your brother, but not only are they not offering you any support your dad is actually bringing out the guilt trip.

What's your dad like generally? Can he be quite selfish? I'm wondering if he's driving this because he doesn't want your mum's attention taken from him?

DurinsBane · 04/12/2024 01:48

SeamsLegit · 03/12/2024 22:14

I'm fuming at the emotional blackmail from your father - it's so unfair, and rankles even more coming from someone who has already refused to take your brother, his own son. I wish you could have your home back sooner. I have no doubt your health is stress related. Hugs xx

Did I miss the post where the dad refused to take him?

Gymnopedie · 04/12/2024 01:58

DurinsBane · 04/12/2024 01:48

Did I miss the post where the dad refused to take him?

Yes, OP's post at 11.48 on the 2/12.

StartupRepair · 04/12/2024 06:06

There is literally not one person in real life supporting you OP. I feel so much for you. Suspect the 2 weeks is going to drift into Christmas and January unless you make the deadline absolutely clear.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 07:19

Gymnopedie · 04/12/2024 01:43

OP I'm angry at your dad and I don't know him from Adam. He and your mum are making all the right noises, being very sympathetic to you and saying how cross they are with your brother, but not only are they not offering you any support your dad is actually bringing out the guilt trip.

What's your dad like generally? Can he be quite selfish? I'm wondering if he's driving this because he doesn't want your mum's attention taken from him?

My dad is a draconian academic that made my life hell as a child, and adult on occasion.

He wants my mum's undivided attention and comes up with the most outlandish excuses. He has always very much controlled her. He doesn't want my brother there with them because he relies on mum so much that he's worried that it will be too much stress for her and she will die (?!) and leave him all alone and he will have to go into a care home. He really doesn't have significant care needs - he has significant demands though.

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Soooocoold · 04/12/2024 07:19

BadPeopleFan · 02/12/2024 06:18

If you can't do it for yourself do it for your daughter and husband.
God only knows how your daughter feels about uncle Bob rocking up and wandering around the house in a cloud of doom.
Your poor husband has tried to commit suicide and he is (I assume) helping to look after this man that persistently makes poor choices (stopping his anti depressants, taking too much time off sick)
This man is incapable of considering anyone else, who actually goes into someone's bedroom at the crack of dawn to wake them up? Never mind someone who is really ill with a chest infection. Has he even thought to make you a cup of tea or a glass of water? Probably not.
Get him out and send him to your parents, then you can make a plan with them with regards to the future.

I see what you mean, but can I just point out that with poor mental health it's often not a choice to take time off work

inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 07:45

I agree it's not possible for him to work right now, the issue is that over the past couple of years he's taken lots and lots of time off for different, unrelated ailments. He has essentially been off since May, since the physical symptoms that made him decide to come off his antidepressants in the first place started, even when those symptoms disappeared he then developed IBS symptoms and that was his new reason for not going to work. Eventually they started to go down the warning route but due to his current state of mind I think they've paused this (but who knows what's going on in the background).

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SheilaFentiman · 04/12/2024 07:46

I have read OP’s posts but not the whole thread, so apologies if this is repeating. But once you do get him out, whether to your parents, back home, or somewhere else, can you get rid of whatever he is sleeping on (or put it into storage). The room is DD’s study, it’s not a spare room any more, so there’s no bed or sofa bed in there and no way for someone to stay. Just adds another few bricks to the barrier.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 07:47

TPJB · 03/12/2024 23:27

What would happen if you said to your parents ‘I am sorry. We just can’t cope. Brother is on his way to stay with you’. They surely wouldn’t turn him away.

I've already done that, that's when my mum said yes initially and then my dad put his foot down.

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TPJB · 04/12/2024 07:49

inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 07:47

I've already done that, that's when my mum said yes initially and then my dad put his foot down.

A time might come when you need to drop him on their doorstep. The most reasonable thing is that you share the care.

SeamsLegit · 04/12/2024 07:55

inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 07:47

I've already done that, that's when my mum said yes initially and then my dad put his foot down.

I wish you could bring yourself to send him to your parents, and simply quote your dad TO your dad.... "Youre his only option, I hope he doesn't end up homeless with just a blanket to keep warm....."

inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 08:07

I wish I could too @SeamsLegit - my head is permanently jumping from anger/frustration/stress to guilt/obligation/sympathy - I'm fucked if I do and fucked if I don't because the guilt of "abandoning" him (I know it would be abandoning, but he would perceive it as this) will also cause me an inordinate amount of stress.

I'm now seeing that I've been conditioned since childhood to prioritise the needs of the men in my life (starting with my father and brother), whilst mum and I were very much second priority. My poor mum is still very much in the midst of that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 04/12/2024 08:07

*would NOT be abandoning

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ChAmpagnesupernissancorsa · 04/12/2024 08:08

I just wanted to say what a wonderfully kind person you are OP and I am so sorry you are going through this.
You are entitled to live your life without having to make excuses for it.
Please send him back to your parents.