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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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SalsaLights · 02/12/2024 18:08

Treat this two weeks like a pathway - keep reminding your brother of what's happening at the end of the two weeks so that he stays focused on the fact it's only a short visit.

If he has a down day then sympathy but keep it focused around the plan - it's crap that you're having a bad day, what can we focus on to help you move forward? Part of this will be him trying to re-learn some coping mechanisms and that dwelling in the bottom of the spiral becomes self-perpetuating. Sometimes briskness and keeping going can be helpful in not getting caught up further.

NavyPombear · 02/12/2024 18:13

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 11:48

@NavyPombear your post hits in so many ways. And I get what you're saying about if he needed an operation - we are not the ones with the expertise.

Unfortunately my sad has called back and said they're not in a position to take him. He's having some health issues and mum has enough in her plate looking after him. They're very sympathetic and very sad/angry etc. with him but they cannot help.

He's currently in with the crisis team. I've spoken to my DH who took him, and have made sure that he speaks to the team before he leaves so they are aware that staying at ours is not an option, as I'm sure my brother will be telling them (again) that he can stay with us indefinitely.

I really don't know where to go from here. See what they say I guess.

There's two ways you can go.

You can either go the same route as your parents or take him in. You'll end up taking him in.

Regarding your daughter I'd say you have some options,

-Brother sleeps on the couch - forever.
-You swap bedrooms with your daughter and she sleeps and studies in your old room.
-Could you get something like this for her room? Maybe even second hand if money is tight.

There is a financial aspect to this as well.

*Are you eligible for carers allowance?
*Could he receive supported living and stay in his own home?
*Is he claiming benefits? If he's only getting SSP or nominal sick pay then he could be eligible for Universal Credit. If his rent is paid, he can hang on to the rental flat/house. When he has nowhere to go OP, he'll be going nowhere.
*Has he applied for PIP? It's not means tested.

NavyPombear · 02/12/2024 18:16

NavyPombear · 02/12/2024 18:13

There's two ways you can go.

You can either go the same route as your parents or take him in. You'll end up taking him in.

Regarding your daughter I'd say you have some options,

-Brother sleeps on the couch - forever.
-You swap bedrooms with your daughter and she sleeps and studies in your old room.
-Could you get something like this for her room? Maybe even second hand if money is tight.

There is a financial aspect to this as well.

*Are you eligible for carers allowance?
*Could he receive supported living and stay in his own home?
*Is he claiming benefits? If he's only getting SSP or nominal sick pay then he could be eligible for Universal Credit. If his rent is paid, he can hang on to the rental flat/house. When he has nowhere to go OP, he'll be going nowhere.
*Has he applied for PIP? It's not means tested.

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Victoriancat · 02/12/2024 18:38

Op I wish you all the luck, you sound an absolute saint!

OttersAreMySpiritAnimal · 02/12/2024 18:40

I'm sorry, I started reading earlier and then had to work so I haven't rtft yet, but I will. Apologies if this has already been suggested.
If no-one else has suggested this get your brother to request b12 level tests from the GP. Low levels of b12 are strongly linked with mood. A lot of people are unable to absorb b12 via the stomach so injections are necessary. These are inexpensive privately but easier if you can get it sorted on the NHS. The other thing that was helpful for my DHs depression was magnesium and but d supplements.
I totally get why you feel caught in a catch 22 here and my heart goes out to you.
Boundaries are essential, a compromise could be that your sibling gives up his flat and moves closer to you. It might bring him the comfort/safety of having you near, but without the serious effects on you and yours of having him living with you.
Ultimately he needs to realise that he has to be able to support himself and learn strategies that will get him through crisis, which only therapy can help with. In order for you to be able to help him he has to show that he will engage with help, and help himself. It's impossible otherwise.

gamerchick · 02/12/2024 18:42

Your parents have been observing for a while. They've seen what you have before you and bailed before they were lumbered. Pretty shocking but snooze you lose.

It sounds encouraging on the face of it, however, you need a cut off point and he needs to know where that line is drawn. Good luck.

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saraclara · 02/12/2024 21:54

Wow. When I started reading your update @inigomontoyahwillcox I really didn't expect him to be so responsive and positive. Good for you in speaking up, and good for him in taking it so well.

I really hope that things continue well, that the next two weeks go quickly, and that his move back home is successful.

noobiedoobie · 02/12/2024 22:05

He needs to be accessing his GP a lot more. Also if he is civil service they will have an EAP, anxiety and depression management tools. Also needs a regular therapist.

Any change in anti depressant can be really useful unsettling for a few weeks. I've literally called my GP in floods of tears and said I'm having a psychotic breakdown, bawled my eyes out in the waiting room, and seen a GP for 45 minutes at 6pm who thoroughly assessed and reassured me it was a natural reaction to the new antidepressant. But just having that level of care from the GP was really important.

TervenAcademicals · 03/12/2024 15:01

Hope you got a decent night's sleep last night and are feeling a bit better x

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 16:12

I have a mentally ill brother. I was just thinking today. I never really feel happy, because I can feel his deep sadness. It affects me too.

I feel his suffering. How can I be happy when he is not.

I'm pathetic and that's good.

But I also deserve to be happy.

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 18:44

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 16:12

I have a mentally ill brother. I was just thinking today. I never really feel happy, because I can feel his deep sadness. It affects me too.

I feel his suffering. How can I be happy when he is not.

I'm pathetic and that's good.

But I also deserve to be happy.

That’s sad but you’re not pathetic and yes you deserve to be happy.

This is a very unhealthy family dynamic. You and your brother sound enmeshed. It’s important to have boundaries and your own life.

Have you looked into therapy?

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 20:16

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 18:44

That’s sad but you’re not pathetic and yes you deserve to be happy.

This is a very unhealthy family dynamic. You and your brother sound enmeshed. It’s important to have boundaries and your own life.

Have you looked into therapy?

I was wondering what you meant and then I looked at my post again.

I meant to write "empathetic" not pathetic.

I think my phone autocorrected it to pathetic.

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 20:17

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 18:44

That’s sad but you’re not pathetic and yes you deserve to be happy.

This is a very unhealthy family dynamic. You and your brother sound enmeshed. It’s important to have boundaries and your own life.

Have you looked into therapy?

Oh yes I've had therapy.

I just find it difficult to be happy when he's suffering. I seem to feel his pain. I think you feel the pain of people close to you.

We are each other's only siblings.

We don't even live near each other.

But yes I go out and do loads of things in my own life. I just feel his pain

inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 22:02

TervenAcademicals · 03/12/2024 15:01

Hope you got a decent night's sleep last night and are feeling a bit better x

I did. Brother was up at 5:30 but he called the crisis team rather than wake me. Which is good.

I am still finding it incredibly difficult having him in the house and becoming quite resentful of him. I went into work today for the first time since last week due to this flu/chest infection (turns out I also have whooping cough) after I'd picked DD up at lunchtime (1/2 day) and stayed there until 7pm. I just couldn't face going home (DD was out all afternoon and evening with a friend, DH is still at work). We had a chat when I came in and I was asking him some questions - quite a few times he got snappy at me about something I said which he misconstrued or didn't like. At one point he got angry with me because I was looking up something on my phone (for him) and he wanted me to look him in the eyes when I was talking to him.

I know it's his current condition, I know he's being challenging because he's so anxious, he has verbal diarrhoea as soon as I walk in the door wanting to talk about his current state, but I am just so.fucking.exhausted.

He can't access the services he's been offered (online CBT and counselling, the night owls service) without registering as a temporary patient with my GP, so I will have to do this tomorrow.

Realistically he's going to be here until Xmas. My dad said earlier on the phone, oh it might be longer to get him used to medication and in a fit state to go home I said if it's longer and he won't go home I'm talking him to A&E and making it clear he can't come home with me. He then started laying on the guilt trip that he might end up on the streets with just a blanket to keep him warm. FFS.

I'm feeling incredibly down right now, I still need loads more sleep and am still feeling really ill. Honestly the last year has been utterly exhausting what with DH's own suicide attempts/MH problems and the reason behind why they happened (business/financial - I had to rescue and take over running our small business, stop us going bankrupt/being prosecuted by companies house, negotiate with creditors and bailiffs all whilst looking after a very fragile DH and doing my own full time job), DD's struggles with school and I've just been through an insanely stressful 9 month long period at work dealing with workplace bullying and attempts to damage and subsequently take over the organisation that I run, that I (with support from trustees) am only just resolving now.

I found myself scrubbing the kitchen from top to bottom earlier this evening, I should be sleeping or at least chilling out (in my room, can't face being downstairs) but I did what I do when I'm stressed - clean.

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SeamsLegit · 03/12/2024 22:14

I'm fuming at the emotional blackmail from your father - it's so unfair, and rankles even more coming from someone who has already refused to take your brother, his own son. I wish you could have your home back sooner. I have no doubt your health is stress related. Hugs xx

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 22:18

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 20:17

Oh yes I've had therapy.

I just find it difficult to be happy when he's suffering. I seem to feel his pain. I think you feel the pain of people close to you.

We are each other's only siblings.

We don't even live near each other.

But yes I go out and do loads of things in my own life. I just feel his pain

I understand empathising with close family and even friends, and at times feeling that pain.

However, if you’re finding it “difficult to be happy” because a sibling has depression it does seem unhealthy and that some internal boundaries aren’t quite right.

If you look up enmeshment it seems to describe your situation.

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 22:18

inigomontoyahwillcox · 03/12/2024 22:02

I did. Brother was up at 5:30 but he called the crisis team rather than wake me. Which is good.

I am still finding it incredibly difficult having him in the house and becoming quite resentful of him. I went into work today for the first time since last week due to this flu/chest infection (turns out I also have whooping cough) after I'd picked DD up at lunchtime (1/2 day) and stayed there until 7pm. I just couldn't face going home (DD was out all afternoon and evening with a friend, DH is still at work). We had a chat when I came in and I was asking him some questions - quite a few times he got snappy at me about something I said which he misconstrued or didn't like. At one point he got angry with me because I was looking up something on my phone (for him) and he wanted me to look him in the eyes when I was talking to him.

I know it's his current condition, I know he's being challenging because he's so anxious, he has verbal diarrhoea as soon as I walk in the door wanting to talk about his current state, but I am just so.fucking.exhausted.

He can't access the services he's been offered (online CBT and counselling, the night owls service) without registering as a temporary patient with my GP, so I will have to do this tomorrow.

Realistically he's going to be here until Xmas. My dad said earlier on the phone, oh it might be longer to get him used to medication and in a fit state to go home I said if it's longer and he won't go home I'm talking him to A&E and making it clear he can't come home with me. He then started laying on the guilt trip that he might end up on the streets with just a blanket to keep him warm. FFS.

I'm feeling incredibly down right now, I still need loads more sleep and am still feeling really ill. Honestly the last year has been utterly exhausting what with DH's own suicide attempts/MH problems and the reason behind why they happened (business/financial - I had to rescue and take over running our small business, stop us going bankrupt/being prosecuted by companies house, negotiate with creditors and bailiffs all whilst looking after a very fragile DH and doing my own full time job), DD's struggles with school and I've just been through an insanely stressful 9 month long period at work dealing with workplace bullying and attempts to damage and subsequently take over the organisation that I run, that I (with support from trustees) am only just resolving now.

I found myself scrubbing the kitchen from top to bottom earlier this evening, I should be sleeping or at least chilling out (in my room, can't face being downstairs) but I did what I do when I'm stressed - clean.

Don't fall for the guilt trip from your dad. If he doesn't want him on the streets, your dad can have him to stay.

Also stick rigidly to your time frame. Get him out of your house within a couple of weeks. Sooner if you can. Why doesn't he go back to his rented flat now.

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 22:20

Honestly OP? you have more patience than a lot of us.

As I said , I have a brother with mental health issues, and there is NO WAY I would have him living with me for any amount of time.

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 22:24

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 22:18

I understand empathising with close family and even friends, and at times feeling that pain.

However, if you’re finding it “difficult to be happy” because a sibling has depression it does seem unhealthy and that some internal boundaries aren’t quite right.

If you look up enmeshment it seems to describe your situation.

Hi thanks for that.

No it's just that my brother, like many people with long termmental health issues, is very extreme. I

f I ever answer a call from him, he's always talking about wanting to commit suicide.

This always leaves me in a permanent state of anxiety. And I'm always worrying that he ll kill himself. I always feel dread and worry about it, which stops me being happy.

I'm not sure how to manage that ?

Gillettethebest · 03/12/2024 22:27

He then started laying on the guilt trip that he might end up on the streets with just a blanket to keep him warm. FFS

Your Dads emotional blackmail is so wrong, perhaps remind him that your brother is their child in fact and not your child? And that you already have a child who is a minor and must take priority!

Does your Dad know about your husbands attempt suicide? If so, that’s even worse because he knows just how much you have to deal with your brother.

I’’m amazed at everything you’re handling because between your brother and your husband and your daughters struggles and having a job etc you have so much on. Please take care of yourself because that’s a lot and you don’t want to burn out /breakdown because you’re looking after everyone else.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 03/12/2024 22:28

Lallydallydune · 03/12/2024 22:24

Hi thanks for that.

No it's just that my brother, like many people with long termmental health issues, is very extreme. I

f I ever answer a call from him, he's always talking about wanting to commit suicide.

This always leaves me in a permanent state of anxiety. And I'm always worrying that he ll kill himself. I always feel dread and worry about it, which stops me being happy.

I'm not sure how to manage that ?

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