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Mum kept baby hidden in drawer for nearly 3 years !!

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benjaminjamesandgraham · 26/11/2024 18:44

Even Christmas day she was kept in a drawer - oh how can someone be so cruel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1dv8ly2o

The drawer where the child was kept, open underneath a cream divan bed with a blanket inside showing where the girl lived for the first three years of her life.

Cheshire mother who kept her baby hidden in a drawer for three years jailed

Prosecutors say the girl had "never known daylight or fresh air" when she was found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1dv8ly2o

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DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 22:44

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GiddyRobin · 26/11/2024 22:45

Oh my God. I don't usually cry at news articles, there's so much bad going on that I think my brain stopped letting me do it so often. But this! Fucking HELL. That poor, poor baby girl. I literally just keep writing venomous rage and deleting sentences.

I don't have even a sliver of empathy for the thing that gave birth to her. Poor, poor child. Jesus wept and so am sodding I.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 26/11/2024 22:45

BingGetInTheSea · 26/11/2024 20:53

No, cleft palette’s don’t show up in scans.

This story hits particularly close to home because my 1yo surprised us by being born with a cleft palette last year.

It means they can’t get any suction - so can’t breastfeed and need special bottles to be bottle fed. The poor little thing must have been starving without specialist help, it’s really upsetting.

Most clefts happen because “it’s just one of those things” - we don’t really know why. However, they can also be caused by drug and alcohol abuse in pregnancy, and I wonder if that was the case here.

Cleft palates are also not uncommon with incestuous offspring..l

Whatthechicken · 26/11/2024 22:46

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 26/11/2024 22:36

I cannot imagine how hard this must have been for you, and still is. Being an adoptive parent takes someone very very special. Thank you for what you have done for your children.

Thank you, they are amazing kids. Love doesn’t solve everything, but it gets us part way there. I can’t believe they are still standing tbh - and yet, they are funny, sarcastic and really bright. We’ll have some big bumps in the road ahead I’m sure. As their teenage years approach I’m sure I’ll get screamed at more than once… ‘You’re not my real mum’!’ But we have the kinfd of relationship where we’ll laugh and reflect afterwards. They know life’s not fair, but we are trying to balance the books for them x

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 26/11/2024 22:47

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I think you need to calm down.

No one is an apologist.

Every single post has said the actions of this woman are abhorrent.

BUT people can see the sort of situations that arise, especially where the woman has been abused by the child's father, that would lead to the mental health issues that would allow someone to justify that their behaviour is ok.

Namerchangee · 26/11/2024 22:47

I feel sick having just read that. The utter horror of it. Poor, poor little girl.

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 22:47

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:35

He raised the alarm, I think? he wasn't aware until he heard her cry.

He was a boyfriend, no suggestion he is the baby's father I don't think.

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:49

StarDolphins · 26/11/2024 21:43

‘Sometimes, little kids stop crying or making much noise when they know that no one is coming 😔’

This makes sense but it’s heartbreaking😭 not making noise because they know no one will come is awful & will stay with me☹️

There was a terrible programme called ''The Dying Rooms'' where baby girls were abandoned to die in China.

They were mute.
No one came to tend to them, so they learned it was pointless to even cry.

It was one of the worst documentaries I'd seen.

Little Mei Ming was silent. {Mei Ming= ''No Name''

I won't post her picture here. {It is online}

Baby boys were kept little princes.

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:49

She's had other kids....she knew what she was doing

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:50

I doubt she had the energy to cry, she was so malnourished

User14March · 26/11/2024 22:52

@ImJustAGirlInACountrySong nobody of sound mind would surely do this. Her matter of fact type confession suggests mental illness or a personality disorder. How long was the partner on the scene?

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 22:52

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JAT49 · 26/11/2024 22:56

I watched itv news which gave a clearer picture then bbc. It said that the father if child did not know about it ( didn’t say partner) but did say boyfriend heard baby cry (again dud not say partner and when the social worker asked the mother if she had kept the little girl in the drawer, the mother replied that the little girl was not part of the family. They also said that the little girl has been with foster parents for last two years. My god prayers to them and that little girl trying to put her back together again. She could not walk talk or crawl really not interested in anyone blaming MH and hope that mother suffers every pain she deserves. The social worker statement does not mention MH just blatant neglect

GiddyRobin · 26/11/2024 22:56

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I completely agree with everything you're saying. I'd join the debate and back you to the hilt, but I fear I'd end up losing my rag completely. Fucking shame of it all.

Bluebellyhedge · 26/11/2024 22:57

Oh my god. That poor sweet child.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 26/11/2024 22:59

ticktickticktickBOOM · 26/11/2024 22:00

The neglect of children and adults with disabilities is happening in many countries though isn't it.

All that footage 2 years ago of those SEND children, teenagers and adults tied up in cots in Ukraine when aid workers went in.

I don't remember Zelenskyy being asked to explain that abuse of his own citizens.

Yeah, Ukraine has been horrifically shit in that regard. You can't even blame it on USSR given that it's continued for decades after collapse of USSR. Romania got a lot of attention for their orphanages but Ukraine seemed to manage to fly under the radar

schnubbins · 26/11/2024 22:59

There is no excuse for a child to be treated like this in a civilised society .No excuse whatsoever.

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 23:01

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It is a particularly awful kind of torture, as little children's brains are like sponges, absorbing so much.
Heck, even a little puppy with a brain nothing like as advanced as a human baby stares at the clouds and birds and fluttering leaves overhead in wonder A little child should be nurtured, taken around to see new things, to be spoken to, to respond with smiles and to voices- not left in a living coffin.

The lack of visual stimulation alone is shocking.

It's horrific

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 26/11/2024 23:01

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There is no need to be abusive @DoreenonTill8.

Can you not imagine any scenario?

As a rape survivor I can absolutely see that a child being born following a rape attack from an abusive attack could absolutely result in this sort occurrence. Especially when this child was born at the start of the first covid lockdown.

Isolated
No one to turn to
Having to look at a child that is a constant reminder of something horrific that was done to you

There is a huge amount of conflicting behaviour in this woman's actions.

She cared enough tonfeed the child with a syringe- that takes patience, it takes commitment

No I am not excusing her behaviour

No I am not an apologist

But I am also not so devoid of a soul that I can't see that there must be something far deeper wrong in that woman's psyche for her to be able to such care at the same time as such contempt for a baby.

Unless you were privy to all the dryials presented to the court then all we know is what has been published by the press. Which will be sensationalised for click bait.

No one in the general public will ever know the truth.

EdithBond · 26/11/2024 23:02

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 26/11/2024 22:45

Cleft palates are also not uncommon with incestuous offspring..l

Indeed. I really hope the mother wasn’t being sexually abused/threatened by a family member and that’s why she felt she couldn’t tell anyone she’d had a baby. Incomprehensibly awful case.

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 23:03

GiddyRobin · 26/11/2024 22:56

I completely agree with everything you're saying. I'd join the debate and back you to the hilt, but I fear I'd end up losing my rag completely. Fucking shame of it all.

The little girl we lost due to the shit show of covid would have been this vulnerable, abused little girls age so am responding in probably an emotionally unstable way, I need to disengage with this and all the 'poor mother' posts.

Lifeomars · 26/11/2024 23:04

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:49

She's had other kids....she knew what she was doing

She went out to work as well, that was one of the things that blew my mind. There must have been some extraordinary compartmentalizing going on,

NautilusLionfish · 26/11/2024 23:05

Pluckolit · 26/11/2024 20:32

The baby was discovered by her partner when he went upstairs alone to use the loo. He'd been told by the mother he was never allowed upstairs or in the house alone, and when he stayed over the mother put the baby in another room. He didn't know she existed until he went upstairs alone and heard a noise.

If you read the ITV article it reports all those details.

I see. I only read bbc article. Thanks

ssd · 26/11/2024 23:06

There's no excuse for keeping a child in a drawer for 3 years. No excuse whatsoever. Rape, incest, abuse....still absolutely no excuse.

Utterly no excuse.

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 23:08

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 26/11/2024 23:01

There is no need to be abusive @DoreenonTill8.

Can you not imagine any scenario?

As a rape survivor I can absolutely see that a child being born following a rape attack from an abusive attack could absolutely result in this sort occurrence. Especially when this child was born at the start of the first covid lockdown.

Isolated
No one to turn to
Having to look at a child that is a constant reminder of something horrific that was done to you

There is a huge amount of conflicting behaviour in this woman's actions.

She cared enough tonfeed the child with a syringe- that takes patience, it takes commitment

No I am not excusing her behaviour

No I am not an apologist

But I am also not so devoid of a soul that I can't see that there must be something far deeper wrong in that woman's psyche for her to be able to such care at the same time as such contempt for a baby.

Unless you were privy to all the dryials presented to the court then all we know is what has been published by the press. Which will be sensationalised for click bait.

No one in the general public will ever know the truth.

So @Ihatelittlefriendsusan you're saying if you had a child, you'd restrict them from life, light, food, love, abandon them for days, whinge and whine that YOU are the abused and damaged one? Oh yes.. poor her