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Mum kept baby hidden in drawer for nearly 3 years !!

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benjaminjamesandgraham · 26/11/2024 18:44

Even Christmas day she was kept in a drawer - oh how can someone be so cruel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1dv8ly2o

The drawer where the child was kept, open underneath a cream divan bed with a blanket inside showing where the girl lived for the first three years of her life.

Cheshire mother who kept her baby hidden in a drawer for three years jailed

Prosecutors say the girl had "never known daylight or fresh air" when she was found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1dv8ly2o

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ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:22

@ScrollingLeaves so what should happen to her??

meeeeeee1234 · 26/11/2024 22:24

I may have missed this,,,,but does dad feature in any of this?

StepawayfromtheLindors · 26/11/2024 22:25

No words for this.

OP: why the !! in the title? Do you work for Take A Break? Tasteless.

Agree with PPs that this thread needs a content warning.

Scentedjasmin · 26/11/2024 22:25

What the hell? That just makes no sense. I had assumed that the mother was a teenager hiding it from family, but she couldn't have been if she had had other children. Also, why not name the mother. Presumably the child's identity going fwd can still be protected, especially given that no one has ever seen her. That poor little thing.

StepawayfromtheLindors · 26/11/2024 22:26

IkeaJesusChrist · 26/11/2024 22:00

What an evil cunt.

Yes

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:26

ScrollingLeaves · 26/11/2024 22:21

I am sorry for what you went through with the death of your child 💐and for sharing your own experience of how you felt when you were pregnant during such a difficult time in your life - so as to try to understand how this woman could do something so awful. It was brave of you imo.

In my view, prison will not help anything in this case.

I wonder how her other children are?

This woman does not deserve freedom after basically torturing this child, and stunting her growth,both emotional and physical.

Let her be incarcerated, hopefully in a windowless cell, to reflect on her callous cruelty.

She'll hopefully never see her children again- hopefully they will be placed in an experienced foster home.

''But mental health /depression' doesn't excuse wanton cruelty.

It's not a get out of jail free card. This woman will never have the care of any living thing again, hopefully.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/11/2024 22:29

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:22

@ScrollingLeaves so what should happen to her??

I would have thought she should be in a psychiatric hospital.

Prison won’t solve anything and she sounds too far gone in some sort of dissociative, deranged state to even take in ‘punishment’ or come round to repentance.
There must be something very wrong.

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 22:31

ScrollingLeaves · 26/11/2024 22:29

I would have thought she should be in a psychiatric hospital.

Prison won’t solve anything and she sounds too far gone in some sort of dissociative, deranged state to even take in ‘punishment’ or come round to repentance.
There must be something very wrong.

Oh stop it. Prison will stop her getting pregnant again at least.

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 22:31

Scentedjasmin · 26/11/2024 22:25

What the hell? That just makes no sense. I had assumed that the mother was a teenager hiding it from family, but she couldn't have been if she had had other children. Also, why not name the mother. Presumably the child's identity going fwd can still be protected, especially given that no one has ever seen her. That poor little thing.

@Scentedjasmin I’m assuming that either there is an appeal process and legal proceedings are ongoing? Especially if the mother needs/seeks psychiatric treatment etc.

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:32

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 22:15

@oakleaffy the mother had a job, relationships and raised other children - doesn't sound like she was severely impaired.

This is beyond comprehension.

Sounds like ''A Child called It'' where one boy was singled out for abuse, and the other siblings were favoured.

What a cruel and callous monster the 'mother' is.

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 22:32

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:26

This woman does not deserve freedom after basically torturing this child, and stunting her growth,both emotional and physical.

Let her be incarcerated, hopefully in a windowless cell, to reflect on her callous cruelty.

She'll hopefully never see her children again- hopefully they will be placed in an experienced foster home.

''But mental health /depression' doesn't excuse wanton cruelty.

It's not a get out of jail free card. This woman will never have the care of any living thing again, hopefully.

This, all the apologists and bleeding hearts for this evil abusive vermin can sod off.

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 22:34

meeeeeee1234 · 26/11/2024 22:24

I may have missed this,,,,but does dad feature in any of this?

Good question. The ITV link a pp shared mentioned a partner who was prohibited from going upstairs etc. I don’t think I’ve come across anything about the biological dad.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/11/2024 22:35

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 22:32

This, all the apologists and bleeding hearts for this evil abusive vermin can sod off.

There are no apologists. No bleeding hearts.

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:35

meeeeeee1234 · 26/11/2024 22:24

I may have missed this,,,,but does dad feature in any of this?

He raised the alarm, I think? he wasn't aware until he heard her cry.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 26/11/2024 22:35

Walkaround · 26/11/2024 22:02

I wonder if, given the birth defects and the lockdown, she gave birth and thought the baby wouldn’t live long, so kept it a secret, but then the baby just kept on living and it became harder and harder to tell the truth - she was incapable of killing the baby and incapable of revealing its existence.

This is the most likely thing to have happened in my view. It was the only explanation I could come up with that seemed to make some sense.

womenloveittoo · 26/11/2024 22:35

Dear god! How on earth could anyone do this? She must have cried as a baby and no one heard her?!
Our sentences are too lenient. If this was in the US she would have received life.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 26/11/2024 22:36

Whatthechicken · 26/11/2024 21:46

There is, but it will be difficult. When babies cry they expect their needs to be met - that’s what their instinct tell them will happen. When their cries are not responded too appropriately they develop survival strategies of their own and their neurological pathways develop in a different way. So their brains are wired to react differently to situations than they should be. It’s way more complicated that though. I’m not explaining it well.

My daughter was left to cry, so when she came to us at 2.5yrs, she couldn’t stand being wet - even a drop, she rejected me as the mother figure for such a long time, she didn’t trust me to take care of her, she pushed me away…because I would end up rejecting her anyway. She fed until she was sick, then ate again, or would not eat in order to control her environment, On the face of it, I have a very independent little girl, in reality, she’s scared, really scared, worried that I will abandon her. She knows why she’s small, she doesn’t understand why her birth mum couldn’t change for her.

She will have many issues as she goes into teenage hood, but she has the best support for now, we are braced. Her older brother suffered different neglect/abuse - his trauma manifests differently. But we are very aware of how their trauma manifests so we are prepared and kind of understand it. They don’t remember any of what they went through, but there are definite triggers, my son used to meltdown if the car journey was over 10 mins long, His hyper vigilance is off the scale, my daughter can’t be left anywhere alone for any amount of time.

without giving excuses to our children’s birth parents - they really did not know what ‘normal’ looked like, they had their own trauma and didn’t understand how a family should function…they didn’t stand a chance. Some days I’m really angry and I hate them, but I understand the circumstances that they came from, and I can’t hate them….my kids came from them.

I cannot imagine how hard this must have been for you, and still is. Being an adoptive parent takes someone very very special. Thank you for what you have done for your children.

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 22:37

Alltheyearround · 26/11/2024 22:22

ITV said the mother was pregnant by an abusive ex partner and she was scared to admit it was his child. No excuse but a bit of context.

I hope the little girl is surrounded by love and goodness for the rest of her life.

Desperately sad.

That makes more sense about why the bio dad isn’t in the picture. Hopefully the little girl gets all the love, care and support she needs.

DoreenonTill8 · 26/11/2024 22:38

Roomgigi · 26/11/2024 21:36

I suspect there is much much more to this story than is allowed to be published
Unsure how jailing the mother helps anyone tbh

Stops her having sex and having more babies? Or do you think 'aww it's not HER fault '...

User14March · 26/11/2024 22:39

I find it very hard to believe the partner didn’t know of the child’s existence. Which partner doesn’t go upstairs? He apparently ‘wasn’t allowed’ & if the child was found crying on the bed it wasn’t always in a drawer?

She sounds mentally ill.

girlofsandwich · 26/11/2024 22:39

Oh god I wish I hadn't read that. Barely kept alive for what, to exist in a box away from the world and any sort of stimulation, comfort or love.

I really wish the foster parents all the best on what will be an incredibly challenging road going forward. What an incredible act and I hope the child can finally feel what it's like to be loved. That is a monumental undertaking, but it gives me faith in people after reading about such a horrifying situation.

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:41

*ImJustAGirlInACountrySong
@ScrollingLeaves so what should happen to her??

I would have thought she should be in a psychiatric hospital.

Prison won’t solve anything and she sounds too far gone in some sort of dissociative, deranged state to even take in ‘punishment’ or come round to repentance.
There must be something very wrong*

Really?

Psych hospital??? Why?

She's been sentenced in court as mentally fit! You can't honk because this is a female she must be unwell or something?

Soubriquet · 26/11/2024 22:43

I just….have no words. That poor little girl

EdithBond · 26/11/2024 22:43

It appears the baby was born around the time of the first pandemic lockdown. This may explain why it was easier for her birth to be concealed. I fear further awful cases of this nature may yet come to light.

Heartbreaking for all involved. Of course, most of all for the little girl. But also her siblings, if PPs are correct in saying they were reportedly well cared for by the mother. If so, they’ll be bewildered at no longer being able to see her and must be missing her. I hope relatives have been able to take them in and they can stay together.

In terms of the mother, I wonder why she was so terrified of the baby being discovered, but still chose to keep her and feed her (however poorly), rather than abandoning her. If she cared well for the siblings, she can’t be generally neglectful. I hope it wasn’t something awful, such as pregnancy as a result of sexual assault.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 22:44

User14March · 26/11/2024 22:39

I find it very hard to believe the partner didn’t know of the child’s existence. Which partner doesn’t go upstairs? He apparently ‘wasn’t allowed’ & if the child was found crying on the bed it wasn’t always in a drawer?

She sounds mentally ill.

The reports I've read state that when he stayed over, she put the child in another bedroom.

She told him that the upstairs was her "safe space" and he was not to go up there without her, etc. Kept the tv on, radio etc playing. How about the other children who actually lived there? You'd think they would notice something.

The foster parents said she rarely made a noise. I think babies just give up after a certain time of neglect.

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