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Mum kept baby hidden in drawer for nearly 3 years !!

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benjaminjamesandgraham · 26/11/2024 18:44

Even Christmas day she was kept in a drawer - oh how can someone be so cruel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1dv8ly2o

The drawer where the child was kept, open underneath a cream divan bed with a blanket inside showing where the girl lived for the first three years of her life.

Cheshire mother who kept her baby hidden in a drawer for three years jailed

Prosecutors say the girl had "never known daylight or fresh air" when she was found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1dv8ly2o

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Cousins4 · 26/11/2024 21:58

I think that it's one of the most shocking cases of child abuse I've ever read!

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 21:59

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 21:56

My thoughts exactly. My heart breaks just at the thought of how long she was left there. Also, weren’t there any health visitors after her birth? It’s odd that nobody seemed to know about her existence apart from her monstrous mum. I’m also curious as to who the visitor was because he or she must have alerted social services straightaway or I’m assuming they called the police which then got the ball rolling. I’m so glad that she was find by this kind visitor and hopefully can now receive the love and care she needs. Just don’t understand how not a single person in the household did not realise what was going on?

She concealed the birth, the baby wasn't registered anywhere.
The visitor was the boyfriend.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 26/11/2024 22:00

The neglect of children and adults with disabilities is happening in many countries though isn't it.

All that footage 2 years ago of those SEND children, teenagers and adults tied up in cots in Ukraine when aid workers went in.

I don't remember Zelenskyy being asked to explain that abuse of his own citizens.

IkeaJesusChrist · 26/11/2024 22:00

What an evil cunt.

Sunflowersinwinter · 26/11/2024 22:01

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 21:59

She concealed the birth, the baby wasn't registered anywhere.
The visitor was the boyfriend.

Yes but there were other children in the house. How did none of the siblings hear the newborn baby cry? It's very difficult to comprehend such a situation.

Walkaround · 26/11/2024 22:02

I wonder if, given the birth defects and the lockdown, she gave birth and thought the baby wouldn’t live long, so kept it a secret, but then the baby just kept on living and it became harder and harder to tell the truth - she was incapable of killing the baby and incapable of revealing its existence.

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:02

Roomgigi · 26/11/2024 21:36

I suspect there is much much more to this story than is allowed to be published
Unsure how jailing the mother helps anyone tbh

She committed a crime fgs!

Would you say the same if this had been a man?

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 22:02

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 21:59

She concealed the birth, the baby wasn't registered anywhere.
The visitor was the boyfriend.

Thanks for the ITV link. I was confused when I read the BBC article. And just couldn’t get my head around it all. I’m glad that she seems to be in a better and safer place now.

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 22:04

Sunflowersinwinter · 26/11/2024 22:01

Yes but there were other children in the house. How did none of the siblings hear the newborn baby cry? It's very difficult to comprehend such a situation.

The siblings could have been very young.

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 22:06

Sunflowersinwinter · 26/11/2024 22:01

Yes but there were other children in the house. How did none of the siblings hear the newborn baby cry? It's very difficult to comprehend such a situation.

Exactly. Especially younger children are always in and out of their parents’ rooms. It just seemed odd that nobody in the household seemed to realise or was the room soundproofed? Like even neighbours didn’t hear a newborn cry? I’m glad that she’s safe now but 3 years is a very long time to be kept hidden away from sunlight, proper nourishment, human interaction, etc. And I don’t think 7 years is enough of a punishment.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/11/2024 22:09

CaribouCarafe · 26/11/2024 20:34

I don't think people are trying to excuse her behaviour, just understand it. These aren't the actions of a normal, functional person. People seek explanation for these kind of events so that they're aware of how to identify and prevent them from occurring.

To me, it seems like she was in denial throughout the later stages of pregnancy, then had some sort of mental health event once the child was born during lockdown - due to lockdown measures, it was easy to fly under the radar. I hope that this case is extensively reviewed so that it doesn't happen again to another child/other families where this has occurred are identified in time to place the child under more appropriate care.

It's sad for all parties involved.

Denial of pregnancy and infanticide done in a post birth state can go together. There have been cases of this with mothers who already had other children too. She did not actually kill her baby in this case, but not far off it, and the drawer was a perpetual denial.

Crikeyalmighty · 26/11/2024 22:10

One of the most horrific things I've ever read - that poor child

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:12

Oh my Goodness.
I had half 'hoped', @benjaminjamesandgraham that the baby was stillborn, and had been kept in the drawer as a 'mummified' body-

But a Live child?

That's beyond horrific.

It's well known even with rescued dogs, that pups born in an enclosure then kept there for a year because they were unsold for whatever reason, have terrible behavioural issues, because all the crucial socialisation periods for them to interact with the World have gone.

How terrible for a human baby, to be so grossly unstimulated, kept in the dark, with nothing to look at, no one to take her out or show her love or care- I doubt this poor child will ever grow into a functioning adult.

The mother probably had severe learning disabilities herself- it's just not normal behaviour to do this- This isn't a doll.

Poor, poor child.

whatkatydid2014 · 26/11/2024 22:12

SnackSnack · 26/11/2024 21:12

The poor, poor baby. I hope she is being treated well now.

I have a cleft lip and palate, was half starved by my mother and left to cry. My dad used to come home and find me starving in my cot. My grandparents moved in to help when people realised that my mother didn't like the tube feding methods they used in those days and was trying to feed me with the aid of a teaspoon. That was more than 40 years ago. I have always been small, weedy and have abandonment issues and that was only 3 or so months until my mouth was repaired.

Yet another example of how children with clefts are abused by their supposed caregivers. I can only imagine social stigma led this vile woman to keep a child hidden like that. She said in her defence that she was frightened. What a selfish creature.

I’m so sorry to read your story. That must be so difficult to come to terms with. The one person you’d expect to be your biggest advocate not caring for you is awful.

HowYouSpellingThat10 · 26/11/2024 22:13

YRGAM · 26/11/2024 21:58

From the Guardian article:

“[She] has had her first Christmas with us, we have done so many ‘firsts’ with her, putting her in a swing and she just sat there not knowing what to do or expect,” the carer said. “Her first step, her first word. It is so sad to think so many of these things are her firsts but it is lovely to be able to spend these moments with her.”

The senior prosecutor, Rachel Worthington, of CPS Mersey-Cheshire, said: “This child has never had a birthday present, a Christmas present or anything to recognise these days. She’s had no interaction with any of her siblings.

“She hadn’t known daylight or fresh air and didn’t respond to her own name when she was first found.”

I understand this to mean she can now speak/say words and walk. So there is a hope for some sort of development into a normal life

This could still mean a very wide range of things.

Children with severe disabilities can still be pushed in a swing and say words. Language is much more complicated and there is a critical window for learning language rather than words.

I don't think we can assume anything about this poor little girl. There is a huge spectrum both in terms of the difficulties she may have been born with and those resulting from her treatment.

viques · 26/11/2024 22:14

Dymaxion · 26/11/2024 21:22

No, none whatsoever. She will be severely damaged for the rest of her life.

Can I ask why ? Genuinely ? I appreciate she may need a lot of help during the rest of her childhood, but is there really no hope of her ever having a normal life ?

She will have missed out on so many developmental stages covering language, extremely limited social skills, physical skills such as crawling, walking, reaching, not to mention eating, chewing, which will have affected her ability to use her mouth and tongue muscles for speech. She will have had no input with hearing and distinguishing sounds and copying them so again her vocalisation will be minimal, her visual development will be limited because her eyes will not have had the opportunity to develop depth perception or the ability to distinguish objects and understand how they relate to each other.

I think there will be improvement over time, but a child’s brain development in the first three years of life is immense, I don’t think it can ever be made up for.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 26/11/2024 22:15

Noteasyforanyone · 26/11/2024 21:38

I can see how this could have happened, having some understanding doesn't detract from the horror of the situation.

My own story is the death of one of my children from something that, it turned out, was genetic.

When I found out it was genetic I also found out I was pregnant within the same week,my then husband had also ramped up his abuse and I had moved away with my dc to an area where we knew nobody.

I absolutely shut down. Refused to accept I was pregnant, refused to even acknowledge it because then I would have to go for tests and face up to potentially losing another child, my brain just wouldn't allow me to deal with it. I also had no childcare or anything like that and stuck my head in the sand over the whole thing.

I didn't tell a soul until I was 32 weeks, but the longer it went on the harder it became to tell anyone.

(My child was absolutely fine thankfully, but I still guilty every single day).

I can imagine a scenario where she hid it or didn't know, then got to birth, then felt guilty because of her child's disability, then taking a couple of days to get her head around it, then being worried she would get into trouble and so she just fell into this horrific situation, the longer it went on the less she felt able to tell anyone.

Understanding that the Mum could have been in a very difficult situation doesn't mean that the abuse of this child is being excused or accepted.

To things can be true at once the mum being in a fucking tough situation, and the child also being horrifically abused and neglected.

Jail is the right place for her, and I really hope all the kids involved get the support they all need.

I am so sorry you went through that. The difference is that once the child was born you would not have shut it away for 3 years. You would have done all you could to sneak the child out of the house and get it taken somewhere it could be found it helped. Because you're not a monster.

Its the difference between a terrified teenage mum who dumps her baby outside a doctor's surgery or children's home in the hope that it would be found and a terrified teenage girl who gives birth in secret them throws the baby in a bin or even worse stamps on its head (actually happened not long ago in the forest of Dean, teenager came from a difficult home life because father was terminally ill. Well we have all been scared of our parents rage or disappointment when we have messed up, I get that bit, but stamping on a baby's head? Monster. I bet her parents would have been cross about the pregnancy at age 15 but nothing they did to her (a telling off? A beating?) Would compare to having your head stamped on until you were dead. People like this are either evil or mentally ill.

AllYearsAround · 26/11/2024 22:15

@oakleaffy the mother had a job, relationships and raised other children - doesn't sound like she was severely impaired.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 22:15

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 26/11/2024 21:49

@AllYearsAround Sorry if I missed it, is she in foster care and how was it known what the foster carers said?

Because they would have spoken at the trial of the child's mother.

The youngster is now under the care of foster parents - who said for the first few months they cared for her, she never cried or asked for food or water.

Mother hid child in drawer under bed for almost three years in 'wicked beyond belief’ act | ITV News Granada

OonaStubbs · 26/11/2024 22:16

Some women are just evil. She deserved a lot longer than 7 years.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/11/2024 22:21

Noteasyforanyone · 26/11/2024 21:38

I can see how this could have happened, having some understanding doesn't detract from the horror of the situation.

My own story is the death of one of my children from something that, it turned out, was genetic.

When I found out it was genetic I also found out I was pregnant within the same week,my then husband had also ramped up his abuse and I had moved away with my dc to an area where we knew nobody.

I absolutely shut down. Refused to accept I was pregnant, refused to even acknowledge it because then I would have to go for tests and face up to potentially losing another child, my brain just wouldn't allow me to deal with it. I also had no childcare or anything like that and stuck my head in the sand over the whole thing.

I didn't tell a soul until I was 32 weeks, but the longer it went on the harder it became to tell anyone.

(My child was absolutely fine thankfully, but I still guilty every single day).

I can imagine a scenario where she hid it or didn't know, then got to birth, then felt guilty because of her child's disability, then taking a couple of days to get her head around it, then being worried she would get into trouble and so she just fell into this horrific situation, the longer it went on the less she felt able to tell anyone.

Understanding that the Mum could have been in a very difficult situation doesn't mean that the abuse of this child is being excused or accepted.

To things can be true at once the mum being in a fucking tough situation, and the child also being horrifically abused and neglected.

Jail is the right place for her, and I really hope all the kids involved get the support they all need.

I am sorry for what you went through with the death of your child 💐and for sharing your own experience of how you felt when you were pregnant during such a difficult time in your life - so as to try to understand how this woman could do something so awful. It was brave of you imo.

In my view, prison will not help anything in this case.

I wonder how her other children are?

ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 26/11/2024 22:22

OonaStubbs · 26/11/2024 22:16

Some women are just evil. She deserved a lot longer than 7 years.

I totally agree with this!

oakleaffy · 26/11/2024 22:22

Reminds me of the case of Blanche Monnier - kept jailed in a back bedroom by her EVIL, jealous, controlling mother.

Poor Blanche was discovered barely alive after many years.

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Alltheyearround · 26/11/2024 22:22

ITV said the mother was pregnant by an abusive ex partner and she was scared to admit it was his child. No excuse but a bit of context.

I hope the little girl is surrounded by love and goodness for the rest of her life.

Desperately sad.

potatocakesinprogress · 26/11/2024 22:22

ticktickticktickBOOM · 26/11/2024 22:00

The neglect of children and adults with disabilities is happening in many countries though isn't it.

All that footage 2 years ago of those SEND children, teenagers and adults tied up in cots in Ukraine when aid workers went in.

I don't remember Zelenskyy being asked to explain that abuse of his own citizens.

That's because it's a Soviet Union hangover, all the more reason to help them transition to a more Westernised civilised society, which is also what they want. 50% of the population is homophobic too. Time to move on.