How do I explain LBTQ+ club to my year 7 son?

[elliejjtiny]

Ds4 is 11 and in year 7. He likes to go to clubs at lunchtime, mostly because if you are going to a club you can go to the front of the dinner queue. Ds4 is disabled so he usually ends up at the back of the queue otherwise.

Anyway, one of the club's is the LBQT+ club. Only he doesn't understand what the club is. I asked him what they do there and he said they play games, make badges and sometimes there is cake. He has been asking me what the letters mean but I don't know what to tell him. I could explain about families with 2 mum's or 2 dad's but that seems not quite right when the people going to the club are secondary school aged and I would have thought a large proportion of them are there to get out of the cold and for free cake. Also I have no idea how to explain the other letters to a child who doesn't understand the concept of sex/relationships yet. I'm very conscious that whatever I tell him will be repeated and I don't want him accidentally offending anybody.

We don't know any LBQT+ people apart from 2 of his teachers so I can't say that being trans is like uncle Dave who used to be Auntie Davina or explain that being gay is like Amelia from school who has 2 mums.

My dear, I do not buy into the Woke agenda as so many on here. Nor will I ever. 😊

I wasn't taught about LGTBQ in school and I'm doing just fine as a functioning adult in the woke world.

@ItsAllAboutTheBass7

Jesus Christ you’re so ridiculously ignorant! You’re the reason why kids feel the need to make an LGBTQ+ group

They’re not going to a club at school trying to talk about sex or turn each other ‘gay’ just like I don’t talk to my gay friends about how they have sex with each other and they don’t sit and convince me that I need to become a lesbian.

It is just a little club at school for kids to acknowledge the simple fact that people are LGBTQ+. It isn’t woke! It’s just a fucking fact that some people are gay, bi, lesbian or trans??

@Marblesbackagain plenty of LGB do not want the false association with the T. Seems you are generalising.

What happens in USA will follow here. 🙏

Community? Which one

@ItsAllAboutTheBass7 I just don’t get why there is so much hate towards LGBTQ+ people? Like why do you want people to feel ostracised? What harm does their existence do you personally? That you would wish for a community of people and their families to not be able to meet and support each other? To be treated like crap by others because they’re different? And why do you think being accepting of LGBTQ+ rights is considered a woke thing, as if it is new? As if its a bad thing? What is bad about it? Genuinely?

I would prefer that the TQ is not added to the LGB.

Not at all. What’s grim is teaching children that there may be something unusual or wrong with them if they don’t conform to stereotypes.

What’s grim is men in dresses masturbating in women’s toilets.

What’s grim is men taking women’s titles in sports.

What’s grim is rapists in women’s prisons.

Those are the grim things.

So you are a bigot ok thankfully the education system has the sense to recognise that and ensure children ar educated.

And plenty do, hence the school having the group. See how that works?

Ah yes. The school LGBTQ+ group that seta out to inform children that they are perfectly normal human beings no matter why their orientation etc are now responsible for everything else 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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And what the hell does that have to do with school LGBT groups!
If you don't like them; don't go. Your children can make their own decisions

I think there is a lot of valid criticism of things that the ‘T’ people are demanding. Mostly it’s not actually, hateful. Not sharing belief system with someone doesn’t mean you hate them.

Sadly, because someone decide to force-team the T with the LGB and insist upon saying things like ‘the LGBTQ+ community’ some LGB people are bearing the brunt of the issues that the T demands are causing.

I don’t blame the LGB Alliance charity for forming, precisely because of all of this.

Thank you everyone. Ds4 is both physically and learning disabled. It's the physical disability that means he is last in the lunch queue though. There is a stampede as soon as the bell goes but ds can't run fast enough. He worried about getting knocked over as well.

He understands that 2 men or 2 women can have a relationship and that a "grown up" relationship is different to the relationships between him and his friends. He has a "best friend who is a girl" but it's all very innocent and he hasn't had a crush on anyone yet. When I say he doesn't understand LBGTQ I mean he doesn't know if he is gay, bisexual, trans etc yet. Also it would be difficult to explain something like asexual or pansexual.

This is all irrelevant to the OP who is objecting to it all. Regardless LGBT+ socs in schools aren't conversion operations and plenty of straight people attend too.

If school LGBTQ groups are teaching that querying men in women’s spaces and sport etc is transphobic then that is a problem.

If school LGBTQ groups are teaching that you must use wrong sex pronouns then that’s a problem.

If school LGBTQ groups are teaching that what makes you a girl is a man declaring himlself to be one and donning a dress and make up then that’s a problem.

Also adults saying “your children can make their own decisions” is a safeguarding red flag.

@elliejjtiny speak to the Senco pronto and get him a 5 minute early release pass at lunch and break so he can get to he canteen safely. It's a very normal reasonable adjustments and I'm surprised it hasn't already been put in place

So you were fine becoming an adult in a world where heterosexuality is the norm but what about the people whose sexuality was a secret that had to be hidden? Was that fine?

It's not a choice. Hope that helps

No it isn't. If a child is Gillick competent they can indeed make their own choices. A child can overrule a parent on vaccines/contraception for example.
You are also making a huge amount of assumptions about what the society does.
For example this week ours talked mainly about Marvel films.

I don't think that is what happens at a school club. One of my grandchildren went to one at his school and it was a place to feel safe and discuss possibilities. Who knows some of them might realise they are not gay after all and that is OK. My grandchild, now an adult, is and always has been gay.