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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
AliceMcK · 08/11/2024 15:04

WOW the excuses your making!

Your old enough to have adult children and grand children but your inexperienced… on what exactly how to be nice and sincere with people.

You told her how you felt about her when you first met her.
You slagged her off when she was having marital problems in family chats.
You slagged her off to extended family
You lie and try covering your ass when caught out
Your son sounds like no angel, he can only have supervised contact with his children because of his bail conditions 🤔
Your now accusing her of coercive control because your son is standing by his wife’s decision.

You sound like a very horrible immature person, constantly making excuses for your own bad behaviour and expecting your victim to move on when you make fake apologies.

Good on your DIL, I’d cut you out of my children’s lives if you were my mil too.

TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:04

Anothernamechane · 08/11/2024 15:02

Go on op, tell us why your son isn't allowed unsupervised access to his own children

Neither was he allowed to be at his baby's birth.

Seaitoverthere · 08/11/2024 15:04

You’ve fucked it, pretty impossible to come back from this. I’d get my head around accepting it if I were you and hope that distance and the passing of time may see her giving you another chance in the future if you are very lucky. An apology isn’t going to cut it in this situation and you are being naive and lacking insight into your behaviour if you think it will.

Best you can do now is make sure you have well and truly learned a big lesson from this.

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TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:04

Anothernamechane · 08/11/2024 15:02

Go on op, tell us why your son isn't allowed unsupervised access to his own children

Neither was he allowed to be at his baby's birth.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:05

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:51

But people change and learn. I know I've changed and learned a lot.

No you haven't changed or learned anything. You are still slagging her off:

She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:05

nadine90 · 08/11/2024 15:02

Honestly op, I think she's absolutely in the right. You should have thought about your relationship with your grandchildren before you treated their mum so horribly. If you've genuinely changed and learned (which I doubt from your posts), then you will understand that sometimes "sorry" isn't enough. She gave you so many chances.
What can you do now?

  • Genuinely own up to your mistakes and stop dismissing her feelings. You hurt her repeatedly.
  • Accept responsibility for your actions, not just to her face but to anyone you discuss this with
  • Hope that by maintaining this approach you may repair the relationship enough to be trusted into your grandchildren's lives again but accept that it may never happen

She didn't accept my apology

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murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:06

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:05

She didn't accept my apology

And rightly so, you didn't mean it and have carried on.

TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:06

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:05

She didn't accept my apology

OMG and you're surprised by that?

WTF!

HelpMeGetThrough · 08/11/2024 15:06

She didn't accept my apology

And who could blame her.

Slobberchops1 · 08/11/2024 15:06

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:51

But people change and learn. I know I've changed and learned a lot.

Well clearly you haven’t lol because you are now on the internet slagging her off because your own family have had enough

FrostFlowers2025 · 08/11/2024 15:06

Eh? What did I just read?

How can someone be so lacking in introspection to still expect to be in someone's life after treating that person like shit for years.

Just because you acted like a doormat to your inlaws, doesn't mean you get to pass this attitude on to the next generation and get away with it. I feel very sorry for this woman. What a family she walked into.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:06

Slobberchops1 · 08/11/2024 15:06

Well clearly you haven’t lol because you are now on the internet slagging her off because your own family have had enough

I am not slagging her off. I'm trying to find a solution

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almay · 08/11/2024 15:07

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L0bstersLass · 08/11/2024 15:07

You sound like a bloody nightmare. I wouldn't be going anywhere near you.

Richiewoo · 08/11/2024 15:07

Omg you sound like a nut job. I'd move to get away from you. What the hell did your son do to need supervised visits.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:07

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:06

I am not slagging her off. I'm trying to find a solution

The only solution is for you to leave her and her children alone.

adriftinadenofvipers · 08/11/2024 15:07

You clearly think your DIL isn't good enough for your son. Well I think it's the other way round. Imagine being married to a man who is only allowed supervised contact with his own children, and having a MIL who badmouths her to all and sundry at every opportunity!!

You all sound nightmarish!

Heronwatcher · 08/11/2024 15:07

Honestly I’m not sure who is worse, you or your son.

I think if you really want to do something useful you need to help and support your son. Do not try to turn him against his wife, otherwise he’ll lose access to them too.

I don’t see the harm in telling your DIL that you’d love to continue a relationship with your grandchildren and would be happy to agree to any conditions she wants to add, but honestly I don’t think you’re in a place to do that based on some of your replies. I think you really need to think about how you’ve behaved and how to change before you start pushing to see the grandkids.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:08

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:07

The only solution is for you to leave her and her children alone.

I would like to be able to see my grandchildren through my son at the very least.

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thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:08

CocoDC · 08/11/2024 14:51

It’s fairly common to have this when caught drinking / drugged and driving with the kids in the car. Where I am that’s the majority of the supervised access

Surely you understand that being caught drinking/drugged while driving with kids inn the car is a terrible things to do, putting his children's lives at risk. You just brush it off as though it's nothing.

Rickrolypoly · 08/11/2024 15:09

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:06

I am not slagging her off. I'm trying to find a solution

No you are not- you are trying to strong arm her into seeing your grandkids. You don't give a shiny shit about her. In fact, if she dropped dead tomorrow all your prayers would be answered. How about reading and acknowledging what people are saying to you? Can you not see how nasty you have been to her? Painting her as the bad one when your loser son isn't even allowed to be alone with his children.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:09

Heronwatcher · 08/11/2024 15:07

Honestly I’m not sure who is worse, you or your son.

I think if you really want to do something useful you need to help and support your son. Do not try to turn him against his wife, otherwise he’ll lose access to them too.

I don’t see the harm in telling your DIL that you’d love to continue a relationship with your grandchildren and would be happy to agree to any conditions she wants to add, but honestly I don’t think you’re in a place to do that based on some of your replies. I think you really need to think about how you’ve behaved and how to change before you start pushing to see the grandkids.

This is what worries me. The justice system is extremely flawed and I saw the consequences of it on my son's mental health. He is a wonderful father and it is all unfair. This has been going on for months now.

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Delphiniumandlupins · 08/11/2024 15:09

You started off by telling your DiL that you didn't like her. Then you bitched about her with other family members, on several occasions, including in WhatsApp messages. You blame your DiL for finding out about your awful behaviour because she read the messages or other people told her what you said. This has happened more than once but you claim to be surprised that she won't just get over it. You are frankly toxic and I have nothing but sympathy for this poor woman. Hopefully she can remove herself and her DC as far away from you as possible.

Elderflower14 · 08/11/2024 15:10

I'm not surprised you aren't allowed to see your grandchildren... You appear to have very loose lips!!!

HumptySaucer · 08/11/2024 15:10

IMO-

You have brought this all upon yourself. You have apologised which is great. But it still looks very bad for you. It’s clear you dislike her, you set a terrible example for your family in the chats etc. Maybe they don’t want more toxic people in their lives. It sounds like they have enough with legal/criminal troubles. (Jeez)

Maybe you should just realise that you have made a mistake and live with the consequences. Don’t gossip or say bad things, esp in writing on phones you don’t erase & learn how to delays & be a nicer person.