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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/11/2024 15:09

You started off by telling your DiL that you didn't like her. Then you bitched about her with other family members, on several occasions, including in WhatsApp messages. You blame your DiL for finding out about your awful behaviour because she read the messages or other people told her what you said. This has happened more than once but you claim to be surprised that she won't just get over it. You are frankly toxic and I have nothing but sympathy for this poor woman. Hopefully she can remove herself and her DC as far away from you as possible.

I never told her I didn't like her.

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BarbaraHoward · 08/11/2024 15:10

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:08

I would like to be able to see my grandchildren through my son at the very least.

I think you need to accept that that's not going to happen, for a while at least.

As you can see, it's clear to everyone that your DIL is completely justified in cutting ties with you.

Given your son has fucked up so severely that he can't be alone with his own children, you won't be able to see them until that's changed.

Your DIL has given you umpteen chances and I'm afraid you've blown them.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 08/11/2024 15:10

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:08

I would like to be able to see my grandchildren through my son at the very least.

Well that decision is out of everyone’s hands. Because of what he did.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

nadine90 · 08/11/2024 15:10

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:05

She didn't accept my apology

As is her right, I wouldn't have either

BarbaraHoward · 08/11/2024 15:11

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

You've told everyone else though...

HelpMeGetThrough · 08/11/2024 15:12

I am not slagging her off. I'm trying to find a solution

She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad.

Are you hard of thinking??

lunar1 · 08/11/2024 15:12

Nobody who repeatedly bitched about me would have access to my children either!

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:12

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:04

Because the house isn't a hotel. It's sensible to expect someone to come back at a certain time.

But why is it her fault and not your son's fault?

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:12

If you'd put a poll on here, it would have been that rarely spotted beast, the 100% agreement that you are being unreasonable.

Wigglewoowoo · 08/11/2024 15:13

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:45

thank you for your advice
what do you mean by insecure? Do you think he is forced to make a decision he isn't happy with?

Stop blaming your DIL for your son's and your behaviour. If I was her I'd be running away from both of you as you sound crazy not her. You're constantly trying to blame her for anything.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 08/11/2024 15:13

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:04

Because the house isn't a hotel. It's sensible to expect someone to come back at a certain time.

My adult son lives at home. I do not police his hours.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:14

NewFriendlyLadybird · 08/11/2024 15:10

Well that decision is out of everyone’s hands. Because of what he did.

He is not going to have supervised contact forever. This case will one day be closed and things will be back to normal. I want to have a relationship then but I don't know how to convince him.
He has tried calling and texting me since the incident but I haven't replied because I don't know what to say. This is why I am here

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justusandthecat · 08/11/2024 15:14

Your DIL is clearly the one causing all these problems. All you did is accuse her of sleeping around, accuse her of being after a passport, say she's a gold digger, call her crazy and slag her off repeatedly to all and sundry behind her back. Honestly, I don't know why you're nothing with her she sounds very difficult 🙄

Differentstarts · 08/11/2024 15:14

Is your son a paedophile? It takes a lot for a person to only be allowed to see their own children supervised. I feel so sorry for you dil she sounds like she's put up with a lot from you both. And has been more then reasonable

Completelyjo · 08/11/2024 15:14

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:08

I would like to be able to see my grandchildren through my son at the very least.

That is entirely your son’s fault then.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:14

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:12

But why is it her fault and not your son's fault?

It is polite to remind someone that they have a home to go to.

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Ohforgodssake123 · 08/11/2024 15:15

Pogggle · 08/11/2024 14:02

Are you the poster who keeps posting about about how awful your daughter in law is, and then when people point out that actually you are the problem, you then pretend it's a reverse? This thread is exactly like an identical one that was posted the other day

Yes the one who’s evil evil DIL is Russian/ Ukrainian and doesn’t feed her children enough processed food.

OP, the problem is you

AliceMcK · 08/11/2024 15:15

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:06

I am not slagging her off. I'm trying to find a solution

The soloution is very clear, well to the rest of us any way. You apologise SINCERELY, acknowledge everything you have done wrong and step back allowing your son and his wife to get on with things. when you’ve proven you are a grown up, stopped slagging the mother of your grandchildren off, you DIL will maybe one day come round. If she dosnt she dosnt that’s her choice.

FYI My own mother has not seen my children for 6 years and never ever will if I have anything to do with it. My youngest dosnt even know she exsists. My mother could never admit she has ever done anything wrong and any apology she’s ever given has been fake and forced to please others. You sound just like her!

Nogodsnomasters · 08/11/2024 15:15

Ever hear of the phrase "least said soonest mended"? That includes to other people. You sound really nasty if I'm being honest.

Gonegirl7 · 08/11/2024 15:15

Fuck me you sound like my WORST Nightmare. And I thought my in laws were a bit dodgy, now I’m bloody grateful

Wigglewoowoo · 08/11/2024 15:15

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

You've told lots of other people how much you dislike her and they've told her... probably warning her how mean you're being about her

NigelHarmansNewWife · 08/11/2024 15:15

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

No, but you have bad mouthed her to numerous family members, on multiple occasions. Your behaviour is the very definition of two-faced. In her shoes I wouldn't trust you one iota.

If you want a relationship with your grandchildren you need to learn to keep your nasty comments and opinions to yourself.

And never put anything in writing about someone you wouldn't be happy for them to read themselves.

The whole thing sounds like a hideous soap opera. You've only yourself to blame.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:15

If your son was a wonderful father, he'd be able to see his kids on his own. He isn't so he isn't. Not hard to grasp, get the blinkers off your eyes regarding your not so special offspring.

AnonymousBleep · 08/11/2024 15:15

Ohforgodssake123 · 08/11/2024 15:15

Yes the one who’s evil evil DIL is Russian/ Ukrainian and doesn’t feed her children enough processed food.

OP, the problem is you

I immediately thought it was that poster too.

bagheera92 · 08/11/2024 15:16

I just don't even know where to begin with this one. You are totally in the wrong here. Whatever your opinion is of your daughter in law. You shouldn't have voiced it. You should have respect for his wife, as the mother of your grandchildren. Your opinion of her does not matter nor does it count.
I feel sorry for her having to put up with this whilst just giving birth.
You as another in law should have been there for her having the babies, when her own family could not be/wouldn't be. Not bitching about her to anyone who would listen.