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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 14:59

She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad

Odd that your son is the one who needs supervised access to his own children then.

He's the BAD one

And you're no better.

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:59

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:51

But people change and learn. I know I've changed and learned a lot.

You don't sound as though you've learned anything! This poor woman had to put up with her mother-in-law and son-in-law accusing her of wanting to sleep around, using her husband for his money, etc. and you're still acting as though she's in the wrong! I'm not surprised she doesn't want you anywhere near her children - you'll target them, just like you targeted her.

Completelyjo · 08/11/2024 14:59

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

So you’re all racist as well as just being downright unpleasant? Lovely.

Interested in this thread?

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TheFormidableMrsC · 08/11/2024 14:59

I posted too soon. No you have created issues from day 1. You. You are responsible for losing your grandchildren.

KoalaCalledKevin · 08/11/2024 14:59

He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

And yet
some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore

Yeah, he sounds like a catch.

Is your issue with her that she isn't from your culture?

user5438 · 08/11/2024 14:59

Your DIL has done the right thing given your shocking behaviour. She is protecting herself and her children from your gossiping, toxic behaviour. You do not have a right to your grandchildren when you act in the way you have.

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 15:00

Completelyjo · 08/11/2024 14:59

So you’re all racist as well as just being downright unpleasant? Lovely.

It's been pretty obvious from the very first post that the OP is racist, unfortunately.

bows101 · 08/11/2024 15:00

So she's forgiven you for slagging her off multiple times and you still continued to do it and she found out and you are now upset she doesn't want contact with you?
Her concerns are valid and you probably would badmouth her around her children. She doesn't want to be around you, your is is not allowed the children on his own (that's a whole other WTF), so you have no way of seeing your DGC. This is entirely on you I'm afraid.

BackForABit · 08/11/2024 15:00

"from his own culture" are you a racist too OP?

Cocolapew · 08/11/2024 15:01

Oh look you're racist too, what a shocker.

TheFormidableMrsC · 08/11/2024 15:01

KoalaCalledKevin · 08/11/2024 14:59

He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

And yet
some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore

Yeah, he sounds like a catch.

Is your issue with her that she isn't from your culture?

That's what I thought. OP wanted to choose a wife to her liking and her little boy has gone and found one all by himself. The whole family sound batshit, vile AND racist to boot.

Coconutter24 · 08/11/2024 15:01

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:01

It's not to her extended family, I meant it as in my in-laws, my husband's family. not hers

Well that’s ok then 🤦‍♀️

Im not sure if you’re trying to play down how you’ve acted with them or if you’re just completely ignorant to the fact you haven’t behaved well here. You’re very quick to dismiss your own actions.

BarbaraHoward · 08/11/2024 15:02

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

Imagine saying that out loud.

Anothernamechane · 08/11/2024 15:02

Go on op, tell us why your son isn't allowed unsupervised access to his own children

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:02

BackForABit · 08/11/2024 15:00

"from his own culture" are you a racist too OP?

My other daughter-in-law is from a different culture too. Never had any problems with her.

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:02

My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture

Well, hello.
He didn't want anyone else.

Also - you clearly don't like her because you didn't arrange the marriage yourself.

You're a nightmare.

GCAcademic · 08/11/2024 15:02

You sound toxic and your son is clearly a chip off the old block. I hope this woman can get herself and her children far away from the lot of you.

nadine90 · 08/11/2024 15:02

Honestly op, I think she's absolutely in the right. You should have thought about your relationship with your grandchildren before you treated their mum so horribly. If you've genuinely changed and learned (which I doubt from your posts), then you will understand that sometimes "sorry" isn't enough. She gave you so many chances.
What can you do now?

  • Genuinely own up to your mistakes and stop dismissing her feelings. You hurt her repeatedly.
  • Accept responsibility for your actions, not just to her face but to anyone you discuss this with
  • Hope that by maintaining this approach you may repair the relationship enough to be trusted into your grandchildren's lives again but accept that it may never happen
Donesaidtheunicorn · 08/11/2024 15:03

OP: I'm looking for advice...
Everyone: you're in the wrong
OP: no I'm not

rinse and repeat 🙄

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:03

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:50

The bad feeling was to do with her behaviour.
She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad.
My son would go visit her and not come back until one in the morning.
She created issues from day one.

'My son would go visit her and not come back until one in the morning.'

Your adult son has a curfew? It's your son coming home late. Why is she the bad guy and not him?

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 15:03

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:03

TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:02

My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture

Well, hello.
He didn't want anyone else.

Also - you clearly don't like her because you didn't arrange the marriage yourself.

You're a nightmare.

I didn't arrange my other son's marriage either. I was given shit for it because she is from a very diffrent culture too but I still love my other daughter in law.

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GodSavetheJean · 08/11/2024 15:04

Oh look OP, its the consequences of your actions.

WTF did you expect when you talk shit about her to everyone you come into contact with? I am surprised you have had ANY contact with her at all. She has been more than gracious.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:04

If you claim that your son isn't violent, the only other reason that I can think of off the top of my head as to why he isn't allowed to see his kids unsupervised would be possession of images of child abuse.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:04

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:03

'My son would go visit her and not come back until one in the morning.'

Your adult son has a curfew? It's your son coming home late. Why is she the bad guy and not him?

Because the house isn't a hotel. It's sensible to expect someone to come back at a certain time.

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