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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
NiftyKoala · 08/11/2024 14:51

You don't have a DIL problem. You have a accountability problem.

CocoDC · 08/11/2024 14:51

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/11/2024 14:43

Let's not give legal advice to a toxic MIL to give to her criminal son, shall we?

He's not safe to be around the children unsupervised because of his bail conditions. Giving him any more influence over their lives is a bad idea.

OP, a LOT of therapy is what you need. And possibly thinking about your style having created a man who can't see his children. Possibly not reproducing that with the GC is a good idea.

It’s fairly common to have this when caught drinking / drugged and driving with the kids in the car. Where I am that’s the majority of the supervised access

smooththecat · 08/11/2024 14:52

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:48

Actually, the more I read of this, the more I think it has to be a reverse.

Yep, that or someone who is so unaware of anything there is no point talking to her. If it’s real, OP is not going to understand the extent to which everyone is barely tolerating her.

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TinyGingerCat · 08/11/2024 14:52

she IS bad

What's that make your son then? Your DIL hasn't been removed from her family.

Twiglets1 · 08/11/2024 14:52

You made too many mistakes.

She probably would have forgiven a couple but honestly, you showed too much animosity to her and now she sees you as hostile.

All you can do is apologise.

HappyTwo · 08/11/2024 14:52

You clearly have problems with emotional regulation - no judgement - I have ADHD and we are known to have problems with emotional regulation so I can see lots of red flags with you.

I think your daugther'n'law has actually been very tolerant to your poor behaviour. The fact you think she is using the children as a weapon - after what you wrote about what you have done and said - is just not true. She has some very good reasons not to trust you with the kids. Goodness knows what your son has done to have his parenting privilege taken away.

If I was you I would tell her you are seeking counselling for your anger management / emotional dysregulation and you hope to one day show her you deserve to be with your grandkids again and the door is always open if she ever needs you.

Whatsitreallylike · 08/11/2024 14:52

You’re vile

AgathaX · 08/11/2024 14:52

Bloody hell. You have been so unpleasant and unreasonable to and about your DIL. Shocking that you can't even see this.

She has no choice but to exclude you from her children's lives. You have shown over and over that you are toxic, bullying, lacking in compassion.

NotMyCircus99 · 08/11/2024 14:53

You sound poisonous. And ignorant of your own poison.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/11/2024 14:53

She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad.

And he's a criminal who is unfit to look after his own children. Who did you think he was going to get as a partner?

@CocoDC Where are you? IME dads have to do dreadful things to not be allowed unsupervised access. Often even when they are dreadful, they still get access.

NotMyCircus99 · 08/11/2024 14:54

Ok. Spin it. Say, YOU were the one bitched about nastily, constantly, deeply, to family in a chat group behind your back, like you have done to your DIL. How would you feel?

TorroFerney · 08/11/2024 14:55

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:52

How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently.

Sometimes in-laws don't get along with each other, it happens, there's no need to take dramatic and drastic measures and go no contact.

My in-laws treated me like rubbish, I was still polite and courteous with them.

Edited

Have a google - locus of control, yours is so on the external side ie everything is everyone else’s fault. You may find it enlightening and may help you to develop self awareness.

crostini · 08/11/2024 14:55

New to what? Being a human being?

You don't chat shit about your son's wife and you shouldn't go around telling people what you think of them either.

You've treated her appalling, and I wouldn't want you near my kids either. You're untrustworthy and emotionally confusing.

Your son is seemingly a criminal too. I hope she manages to get away from all you.

justlikebuses · 08/11/2024 14:55

My ex-MIL was like you. Her son has only just gained access to our child after 3 years being absent.
The MIL and her behaviours were the nail in the coffin of our relationship.
You have caused all these issues.

AnonymousBleep · 08/11/2024 14:55

You've effed this one up all on your own OP. If she doesn't want you seeing her children, that's all on you.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/11/2024 14:53

She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad.

And he's a criminal who is unfit to look after his own children. Who did you think he was going to get as a partner?

@CocoDC Where are you? IME dads have to do dreadful things to not be allowed unsupervised access. Often even when they are dreadful, they still get access.

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

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NewFriendlyLadybird · 08/11/2024 14:57

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/11/2024 14:57

He hasn't been charged with anything.

But he has bail conditions?

Chinny reckon.

SerafinasGoose · 08/11/2024 14:57

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:50

No, she is from an Arab country

And there it is.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 14:58

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:51

But people change and learn. I know I've changed and learned a lot.

You haven't changed one iota. Or learned anything. You are a toxic nightmare and if I were her I'd move far away from you and your violent son.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 14:58

CocoDC · 08/11/2024 14:43

I think you just need to go to your DS, arrange a face to face meeting with dil, and just apologise one to one. Whether you mean it or not. If they’ve only had a religious marriage and DS is being investigated for something your DS might feel incredibly insecure - do whatever’s required to ensure you are in his and gc’s lives during this time.

Then stop sharing your every big and little opinion to others. If you don’t like dil that’s fine. Keep quiet and just use your influence in other ways.

Why on earth would her DIL believe her apology after everything that OP has said and done? That ship has sailed. She would see through it completely and rightly so.

Use her influence in other ways?? She is completely toxic and her influence would damage her grandchildren.

SirChenjins · 08/11/2024 14:58

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

Your family should learn to STFU

TheFormidableMrsC · 08/11/2024 14:59

The bad feeling was to do with her behaviour.
She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad

My son would go visit her and not come back until one in the morning.
She created issues from day one

HelpMeGetThrough · 08/11/2024 14:59

You sound like a MIL from hell and I'd be moving as far as away from you as possible.

You've done nothing but bad mouth and cause problems.

BulldogMumma · 08/11/2024 14:59

If my MIL treat me how you treat your DIL she wouldn't be seeing my kids neither.
Sorry but you sound like the MIL from hell

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