How to not be utterly depressed and scared about Trump winning

[ChocolateMagnum]

Is there any way at all to reframe the likely outcome of the US election? I just feel terrible this morning. Scared and angry. It's wasted energy, though. I can't do anything positive with these feelings and I'm guessing I'm not the only person feeling like this. How are other people finding ways to move out of this feeling so they aren't wasting time and energy on something they have no influence over currently?

Exactly this.
How can people be baffled by the brexit decision. I voted remain but I completely understand why it went the other way.
Same with this result. With the current set up in the US (and much of the west right now tbh) it’s so predicable that this is going to happen.
I just wish the opposing parties would come down from focussing and bring down one man and actually listen to what the general population are actually saying and wanting.

Hehe, highly unlikely.

So Trump might want to do a deal with Putin which is stop backing Iran, Israel wins and you get some Ukraine territory. That’s it. Then they all move on all powerful and the money keeps spinning.

Plus most of the Americans who voted for Trump wouldn’t believe any videos posted by Putin. It would just be fake news.

Trump literally does nothing to hide his nasty. He displays it quite openly.

Cheer up - he's a very overweight bullshitting bloke who looks like his blood pressure is through the roof and lives on burgers and coke.

I'm afraid it's their Corbyn/ Johnson moment where millions of us thought 'neither' thanks- I think he will be useless - last time none of the things he promised actually happened- as he spent most of the time bigging himself up .

I think the Democrats would do well to understand too that I'm sad to say but it's still a very mysoginistic country in many parts of the country with some exceptions. You won't win by purely appealing to those that already have the same mindset as yourselves- and you won't win with a smiley and I'm sure very capable woman unless you have lots of far reaching policies that impact their pockets - and if she did have them - I didn't hear them. Clinton was a better candidate and still lost. Personally I would have voted Harris as I think Trump is an absolute dangerous fruitcake - doesn't mean I think she was a great choice either.

Then they really ought to read up on their own history, particularly regarding the Cold War. It’s a bit late for that now, though.

Again, the law Tim signed doesn't require tampons in boy's loos. It requires that all students can access period products easily and gives individual schools considerable flexibility in how they achieve that outcome.

I’m not interested in a political debate or airing my views, I don’t know enough really yet. Thank you for the link I’ll have a read 🙂

I feel for American women. Especially American women who want to expand or start families - being pregnant over there where a huge chunk of maternal medicine is kept under lock and key must be absolutely terrifying. In 2024, women should not be dying because they're pregnant, and here we are. I would support claims of asylum for those women, I genuinely would.

I saw this coming. DH often accuses me of having too grim of an outlook on the world, but to me this was the obvious conclusion. The US will not elect a woman, and a black woman at that. It's just not going to happen.

We'll be ok. For all the criticism you can level at the Labour party, the Conservatives and the UK government in general, I don't think we're anywhere close to the US in terms of downward spiral. That actually does give me some comfort.

I'm not sure I can bear another Melania Christmas White House... 😫🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲...

I identify so much with this.

It’s a situation where that old mumsnet catchphrase “Not my circus not my monkeys” actually helps.

I think it shows that despite a common language, the cultural gulf between the UK and USA is vast. It isn’t about left versus right - it’s bigger than that.

I personally have no interest in trying to bridge that gap. I’m happy to befriend Americans living in the UK, but for me, it’s a reminder that the US is one of the countries I don’t want to visit or give my tourist money to, alongside the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, Belarus and too many others.

Same.

Me too. I’ll never forgive those who voted to strip us of our EU citizenship rights. In many ways I’ve moved on, but it’s something that will never be OK.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/zHRUFEphoZ0

I mean, I did say that I was letting myself have my emotional reaction today, I'm ok if it's a bit teenage for now.

Focusing on 'one man'? Maybe, he's the man who has just been elected President despite that long list of egregious things he's said and done though, so seems fair enough. But I'm also focusing on the absolute hate and bile that has spewed from his campaign, not to mention the electrified shark and eating pets and forced gender surgeries in prison rambling. On the vitriol and bigotry of the Madison Square Garden rally, on the threatened mass deportations and the pregnant women dying for lack of basic healthcare.

And actually, what I'm focusing on is the fact that so many people can look at all that and think, 'yep, gets my vote' is so completely alien to me and I hope it always will be. It's more palatable to dress Trump's win up as a rejection of what has gone wrong with the Left maybe, but let's not pretend that it isn't also an active endorsement of far right populism, racism and misogyny.

@Outandinbout

"No you don't understand. Trump is not the biggest concern. Its Vance. Trump s just some egotist who is President as he likes the glory and rallies and status and all that. Vance is an intelligent dangerous ideologue. What this has done is lead the way to Vance becoming President"

Exactly if the left are concerned about Trump then they really ought to be petrified about JD Vance.

Trump has the showmanship, bluster and bullshit, Vance has the smarts and the policies.

But why are these things resonating with so many? Why? It’s not that people are generally hate filled- they certainly aren’t when they are happy and have the basics they need, feel safe in their country, can afford or are given quality healthcare, jobs, food and shelter. Yes there are horrible people in this world but the majority of humans are good (selfish) but generally good people. They are just fed up and the media plays up on the reasons of why they are fed up and that fuels the fire for change.
I personally don’t think it’s trump they are voting for. Literally anyone with an ounce of gumption, conviction, abundant confidence and a promise for change would have done just as well.
This could all have been avoided if the opposition had been in the slightest bit credible and been hitting hard with what changes were going to be made (in terms of the main worries and concerns of the general population)
They didn’t. They utterly wasted their chance.

Trump's victory was decisive in the electoral college and it seems likely he has also won the popular vote. In my opinion Harris was a last-minute mediocre candidate, a Vice President with little political impact who failed to make much of the immigration task Biden gave her. The Democrats failed because they did not ditch Biden at the outset which would have given them time to run a Primary to choose a strong candidate: they put Biden ahead of country and paid the price for that. Americans voted on policy rather than personality: the key winning policies were inflation/cost of living and immigrants as a job threat, not abortion, etc. Labelling Trump as fascist had little resonance with voters and showed the Democrats were out of touch. Trump will have consequences for the UK and we ought to get closer to the EU as a power base and market, invest more in defence and gain a better understanding with China.

@jen337

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it is our circus. 🎪

They are our 🐵

just because we don't get a vote, doesn't mean the outcome doesn't affect us/the rest of the world.

the impact of him supporting Putin not Ukraine is going to have a massive impact on us.

let alone all the other stuff.

Your understanding of geopolitics is woeful

This is a good, sensible analysis.

It doesn't change the fact that millions of men and women decided they were okay with felony, sexual abuse, fraud, death by miscarriage and a "grab them by the pussy" approach to women. They looked at the guy and went "yep, that's who we want for the top job".

I think that's what people cannot understand. We all have different political ideas but Trump's actions are objectionable well beyond politics.