I’m scared now I’ve realised this

[Pickandmixmood]

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

We're thinking down the same road in that I'm curious about your stance on that very matter.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/hormone-levels-are-being-used-to-discriminate-against-female-athletes/

Could it be that the definitions are narrow and outdated?

Of what, biological sex? You can't be serious. If you mean gender, even the most extreme of gender ideologues will admit that gender isn't physical. So it doesn't affect sports performance. If gender is a feeling and a self-perception, it has nothing to do with how physically gifted you are athletically.

Are you equally outraged at women transitioning to men and seeking to compete in men's sport?

Why would she be? They don't have an unfair physical advantage.

Regarding the claim that women might be subjected to humiliating tests to prove their sex if trans athletes cannot compete in women's sports, that has been the case since the middle of the twentieth century when more stringent eligibility requirements based on sex were put in place

And it’s a screening cheek swab now. Or saliva test. And the majority of elite female athletes want it, they want to protect the female category

Are you equally outraged at women transitioning to men and seeking to compete in men's sport?

Of course not. Why should I be?

I’m not at all exhausted by my hate as you call it. For me, the cognitive dissonance of keeping up with compelled speech and pretending what I can see isn’t really happening (males advantage) must be more exhausting

Could it be that the definitions are narrow and outdated?

Is that your answer? You think males and females are too narrowly defined? How would you define it then?

Are you equally outraged at women transitioning to men and seeking to compete in men's sport?

I am not outraged because females don’t have an advantage over males and take opportunities from men. Funnily enough it doesn’t happen anywhere near as often. One female swimmer transitioned and remained in the female competition, because it was obvious that it wouldn’t be possible to compete in the men’s competition.

I AM worried about their safety if they play sports where safety matters.

How would you define women’s sport?

I can see there are problems with it. Then again, it's not just hormones which are used to disqualify athletes. For example, an athlete taking cold medicine can be taken as evidence of using performance enhancing substances, because cold medicine often contains the decongestant pseudoephedrine, which is banned.
Also, asthma and allergy inhalers which contain corticosteroids are banned.

Caster Semenya 😀😀 is your example?? 😀

Semenya has an XY ARD DSD. Male levels of testosterone from internal testes, erroneously thought to be a girl at birth due to underdeveloped male sex organs but virilise at puberty from his testicles. No ovaries, no uterus, no periods, no female puberty.

The world athletics position on female athletes with high testosterone is that if the athlete is XX there is no level of testosterone that excludes them.

There is NO overlap between male and female testosterone levels anyway.

Im still laughing about using Semenya as an example of an excluded “female”. That’s the same Semenya who stated in a review “My testes don’t make me less of a woman”.

Caster Semenya is a man with internal testes and normal male testosterone levels. I can’t believe he’s being brought up in an argument about how the Democrats have erased women’s college sports in America. It really is 2019-20 again, isn’t it?

I’m interested in how sports should be recategorised, given male and female and now too narrow.

By gender identity, maybe? There’s about 72 genders now, the events would take forever fo get through

Does it not ring incongruent to allow a "biological" woman who has transitioned to male to compete in "female" sport because "he" can't compete against men? What??? 🤦‍♀️ Isn't he taking male hormones? Doesn't that disqualify him from female sport?

On her X page Payton McNabb wrote (Sept '23):
Today marks 1 yr since a trans bio boy spiked a ball hitting me at 70 miles an hour causing me partial paralysis & other injuries.

jhp-ojs-tamucc.tdl.org/jhp/article/view/jshp.0053.2015

But, you're not off base. It's a valid question. My point is that attempts to maintain fairness are driven/influenced by hate/prejudice/misinformation/politics etc.

And a vagina.

Does it not ring incongruent to allow a "biological" woman who has transitioned to male to compete in "female" sport because "he" can't compete against men? What??? 🤦‍♀️ Isn't he taking male hormones? Doesn't that disqualify him from female sport?

But that’s not what you said. You were using the example of woman taking testosterone competing against men.

It’s easier to just say “woman” and “man” based on sex, isn’t it? Otherwise you just confuse yourself.

My point is that attempts to maintain fairness are driven/influenced by hate/prejudice/misinformation/politics etc

Every female athlete competing at a high level has made enormous sacrifices to be there. Not to mention the physical challenges of competing and training with periods. Males with special identities shouldn’t get to force their way into female sport/spaces because of “hate”. The can compete with other men, or, make an “open” category and leave the female one for women and girls

No. Not a vagina.

He doesn’t have a vagina. Males with 5 alpha reductase deficiency don’t have a vagina.

Isn't he taking male hormones? Doesn't that disqualify him from female sport?

Yes it does. Females who take testosterone as part of transition are not eligible for men’s sport as per anti-doping rules.

I don’t think women who want to compete in men’s competition should be allowed. Men’s sport is for men, it’s not safe in many sports, and testosterone is a harmful drug for females.

The fact that so few women attempt is indicative of the sex-based differences in sport. Most trans identifying women remain in the women’s category either as trans (Iszac Henig) or as non-binary (Quinn).

And to bring it back to the relevance of the thread, Harris and the Democrats believe sport should be segregated by (75+?) genders, not sex. So while Harris may valiantly attempt to give women and girls some rights with one hand, she will be taking them with the other hand.

That’s the bind.

Yes, has vagina. Does not have uterus.

Genitalia can look ambiguous with a pseudovaginal perineoscrotal hypospadias.

not a vagina tho

are you getting your DSDs mixed up? Thinking of CAIS?

Thanks for responding with this post Jom222.

I want to give it the time it deserves to read it before responding.

It is refreshing that you are actually prepared to engage with the issues. Where I get driven boarderline insane is the people who insist there are none.

Thank you.

I'm the mother of a female athlete. Sports are divided by sex for a reason. This is a load of nonsense. No one is preventing trans or non binary from competing.

what is required is a female and an open category - that would meet the needs of everyone and be fair.

Get this; we all know that Trump is a blowhard. Now he's simulating blowjobs on stage.

Dementia, dementia, dementia.

I was about to post this and just saw yours.

www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-blow-job-oral-sex-microphone-rally/

No, going by her own statements (she offered to be examined).

I may need to bow out of thread... I have two dc to tend to and they're getting a bit squirrelly atm. 😵‍💫