Thread 10 Starmer: First Female Chancellor delivers the Budget

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If needed I will elevate the words used to remove the cunts in favour of obscure 16th century street names.

Let's just say you won't find me asking my local confectionery for that new paradigm bar they do these days.

"Personally I would suggest that the austerity peddled by cunty Cameron and his chums fed into the feelings that eventually tipped the vote 52:48. But that is probably a little bit less obvious."

I typed a paragraph saying exactly that and then deleted it! - yup, destruction of public services & blame directed at immigration came in very handy to Vote Leave. Cameron's own messaging contributed to the Brexit vote. What a bloody mess.

I said at the time that a proportion of the Brexit vote did so to give Cameron a bloody nose and punish his government for austerity. Johnson virtually admitted it with his levelling up agenda.

The irony for historians in 2300 will be that it was Camerons own policies that produced Brexit. Despite his being a genuinely committed European (which I know from a personal experience). Which makes him even more of a cunt deserving the opprobrium of posterity than had he sincerely been a Eurosceptic.

If St. Kemi of Johnson is committed to rehabilitating her Tory predecessors, then how the fuck will she have time to be LOTO ? Unless she creates a shadow post for the task ? The Minister for Herculean Tasks seems appropriate. Torys can look it up while they are waiting for power again. It's a long read. Although Boris seems to have used it as his bible - 50 women in one night ? Pah

I think it was the drip drip drip of anti EU feeling, over many years, from the MSM that swung Brexit.
Austerity may have bought out some people who were directly affected but i was amazed by the number of people who had done very well in their careers who voted to leave the EU, i was in the minority among some very well paid people in a reasonably large IT company.

Even my Barrister relative voted out, hardly a victim of Austerity with her BTLs and 2 holiday homes.....

Bojo then got it over the line.

I see Andrew Griffith, widely tipped to be Shadow Chancellor, describes the minimum wage as "a burden". Badenoch really is about trampling on the most underprivileged.

That’s going to go down well with the younger voters they desperately need if they’re ever going to see government again.

I think it was the drip drip drip of anti EU feeling, over many years, from the MSM that swung Brexit.

There is a telling snippet from Fawlty Towers, where telling the Major we don't shoot Germans, Basil says something like "didn't vote for it myself, but now we're in , we should make it work" (or words to that effect).

Growing up in the 70s, through the 80s, that was very much the attitude I experienced. Never met anyone who was fundamentally so against it they would cut their arm of for it.

Still, having discovered how much they can sway the electorate around an issue, the future looks fun. ECHR next. Then womens rights. Workers rights. Creation of the new aristocracy. All things we can expect to see.

If you are chasing Reform voters, then youth probably isn't a factor.

No, you’re right. But with age at which people lean right increasing they need younger voters to replace those succumbing to the grim reaper.

I wonder when we'll get to the stage where there are hardly any members of the Conservative Party because they're dead?

Looking at the size of the party based on the leadership vote, about next Tuesday @ilovesooty

I’ve forgotten the exact number now but Rory Stewart was just saying on the emergency TRIP on Badenoch that it was over 2.5 million at one point in the 1950s

I heard that too, it’s 130k now - and 30% of them didn’t vote in the leadership ballot.

Laura Trott is now Shadow Education Secretary.

Poor Badenoch, hope she doesn't fall into the barrel she is being forced to scrape.

I can't muster any enthusiasm or disdain for the new Shadow Cabinet. They're politically irrelevant for the next 5 years. The protests happening in Iran, the outcome of the US election, Ukraine's war plans - they are all going to have more of an impact globally and therefore on my life.

She won't have the free hand of a stable leader to chose whoever she wants. She has to factor in the fact that there will be plenty of MPs who would refuse to serve (and say so openly so undermining her position) plus the fact that appointing entirely Kemi disciples will draw the ire of those that wanted Jenrick, plus the fact that appointing MPs from the Jenrick side of the aisle will simply ensure she has to watch her back at all times.

It's like St. Kemi of Our Saviour is getting a crash course in what it is like to be a Labour Leader. All she really needs now is to know the words to the Red Flag

The Tory leadership currently is a poison chalice. I find it difficult to believe that anyone who values their sanity would want it.

I am sure I am not alone in recalling that sometime after 2017, when Theresa May was up shit creek and it was clear that whoever was PM when "Brexit" happened would be toast, the post of "interim leader of the Tory party" was invented (and advertised on www.Tosserhire.com). This was purely to insulate the coming messiah Boris Johnson from any inconvenient outcomes of "Brexit".

It speaks volumes that even in a party entirely composed of people prepared to sacrifice their integrity for power, not a single person stepped up to the plate.

Eventually they had to bring in Boris, but knowing his time was limited.

MN response to student fees rising compared to the WFA thing will be fascinating I think.

There is quite a core of MN who think university should only be for their children and have distinctly 'interesting' attitudes to class, privilege and HE access.

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That's another allegedly new refreshing name 😉

"An £80m transition fund to help the 2,800 Tata steel workers made redundant was "unfunded" by the previous Conservative government, the Welsh secretary has claimed."

The transition fund announced by Badenoch in September 2023 - but not included in either Autumn or Spring Conservative Budgets.

So essentially announced and then ignored.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wx99x57po

The transition fund was first announced in September 2023 by the then Business and Trade secretary, now Conservative party leader, Kemi Badenoch. She has been asked to respond.

I don’t think we should hold our breath.

She can hardly claim she didn't know about it.