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Liam Payne dead

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Anotherdayanothernight · 16/10/2024 22:40

Just heard on the news abroad he fell from the third floor off a hotel in Buenos Aires, if true it's very sad as he was so young and seemed like a lovely guy

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SallyWD · 18/10/2024 09:54

Nextdoor55 · 18/10/2024 08:39

I dunno I just thought it was a strange assumption to make. Unless the balcony was unsafe. I've never heard of anyone assuming someone will fall off a balcony when they're smashing a room up. It just struck me as odd. I was wondering if there was an altercation with someone. I'm sure it's happened before, but it might be my imagination & I should go & write a book or something 😅

I'm always hearing of drunk British people falling off balconies. It's very common. He was clearly in a terrible state. My immediate thought would be that he might fall off a balcony. I don't think it's weird at all.

SallyWD · 18/10/2024 09:56

stanleypops66 · 18/10/2024 08:47

So terribly tragic. As more information comes out though it seems he felt things were hopeless.

  • Dropped by his record label recently.
  • His PR company resigned
  • Ex girlfriends book and interviews. What she said was very disturbing. Then the cease and desist.
  • Drugs and alcohol
  • Current girlfriend left as she 'needed to go home'. Didn't seem like things had been good between them.

You do wonder how people with all the resources in the world can't rally people around to help them. Maybe he didn't tell people or maybe he didn't want help, but from his recent videos it seemed pretty obvious he was on a downward spiral.

News reports say he was found with a phone, lighter and bottle of whiskey and was not in the typical reflex position. Reports that he was conscious/ semi conscious when he fell.

And apparently he was being mocked relentlessly online and on the Daily Mail for being cringey and David Brent like.

Karmaisagod · 18/10/2024 09:57

PlantHeadNo5 · 18/10/2024 09:32

If you read up thread people are heavily hunting towards foul play. Someone even said they wouldn’t believe what is being reported. Elsewhere People are bringing up Sean Combs and starting to say it was Cheryl’s fault because she groomed him. The water is getting well and truly muddy.

Ah, yes, you're right - I did see someone refusing to believe the reports. I hadn't seen links to Diddy yet. That seems a reach of almost worthy-of-admiration proportions.

soupfiend · 18/10/2024 10:00

What was he doing that was David Brent like?

A lot of people are David Brent like. Probably including me

Seasmoke · 18/10/2024 10:09

SallyWD · 18/10/2024 09:56

And apparently he was being mocked relentlessly online and on the Daily Mail for being cringey and David Brent like.

The Mail are terrible for this. They mock people then after their death deflect blame onto others and act all innocent. Even when it's not suicide. I remember thinking how hypocritical they were when Steve Wright died, and it was all ' Oh he died of a broken heart because the BBC' blah blah when they fat shamed him at every opportunity and he had said often that he found it upsetting and embarrassing.

soupfiend · 18/10/2024 10:29

God the Steve Wright stuff was horrendous.

roxyro · 18/10/2024 10:29

Tattletwat · 17/10/2024 11:13

Stop saying things are inappropriate and trying to shut discussion down, don't like it don't read it.

Any other man who got a restraining order people on Mumsnet would be saying he was a scumbag. But it seems celebs are held to a lower standard.

As I said, inappropriate.. Stop telling others what they can and can’t say.
You don't even know it’s true. What we do know is a young man has died well before his time.

If this Maya woman is getting grief in SM maybe she should have kept it private, no need to tell the world or write a book.

Tattletwat · 18/10/2024 10:31

roxyro · 18/10/2024 10:29

As I said, inappropriate.. Stop telling others what they can and can’t say.
You don't even know it’s true. What we do know is a young man has died well before his time.

If this Maya woman is getting grief in SM maybe she should have kept it private, no need to tell the world or write a book.

Ah blame the woman got it, sorry must remember women are at fault always.

roxyro · 18/10/2024 10:36

Tattletwat · 18/10/2024 10:31

Ah blame the woman got it, sorry must remember women are at fault always.

Blame the woman for what? His death? Writing a book and dropping massive hints it was based on him and their relationship? Announcing she instructed a solicitor write a cease and desist letter?

incidentally there was no restraining order. A cease and desist letter can be written to anyone by a solicitor, no need for proof of bad behaviour and holds no weight.

Tattletwat · 18/10/2024 10:41

roxyro · 18/10/2024 10:36

Blame the woman for what? His death? Writing a book and dropping massive hints it was based on him and their relationship? Announcing she instructed a solicitor write a cease and desist letter?

incidentally there was no restraining order. A cease and desist letter can be written to anyone by a solicitor, no need for proof of bad behaviour and holds no weight.

I stand by my comments, You are saying it's okay she gets grief. Why should she have to keep things private whilst he lived off his fame.

You are saying we should not believe a woman who says she was abused by a drug addled man.

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 18/10/2024 10:46

stanleypops66 · 18/10/2024 08:47

So terribly tragic. As more information comes out though it seems he felt things were hopeless.

  • Dropped by his record label recently.
  • His PR company resigned
  • Ex girlfriends book and interviews. What she said was very disturbing. Then the cease and desist.
  • Drugs and alcohol
  • Current girlfriend left as she 'needed to go home'. Didn't seem like things had been good between them.

You do wonder how people with all the resources in the world can't rally people around to help them. Maybe he didn't tell people or maybe he didn't want help, but from his recent videos it seemed pretty obvious he was on a downward spiral.

News reports say he was found with a phone, lighter and bottle of whiskey and was not in the typical reflex position. Reports that he was conscious/ semi conscious when he fell.

Mentioned earlier about individuals (or groups) in music who come up the traditional way, ie. work the small clubs, build an audience etc. become hardened, Liam skipped this process via the Cowell vehicle.

Of course the traditional route doesn't make you immune to issues (as was pointed out with Oasis and drugs being mentioned), but it does give you a better chance at taking the crap that inevitably comes your way.

Propelled by the immense leg up that is Idol, X Factor, Got Talent, its instant fame/success, as opposed to having to slowly grind your way to success, and being given a solid grounding while doing so. Sting talked about driving up and down the motorway in a van being in The Police, playing gigs (sometimes to tiny audiences), struggling to get a record deal. This gives you a perspective that these talent show winners/successes don't get. They get instant fame, and in Liam's case immense fame, but what happens when this ends as it usually does in these quick fire successful acts? There is no safety buffer for him, no memory bank of playing infront of 30 people at a gig and then driving 80 mile to another gig to play infront of another handful. He has only known massive crowds, flashbulbs going off, paparazzi etc.

The two Simons created shows that transformed music and television, but if you have the talent to succeed I'd be looking at the traditional/organic route.

Gloriia · 18/10/2024 11:00

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 18/10/2024 10:46

Mentioned earlier about individuals (or groups) in music who come up the traditional way, ie. work the small clubs, build an audience etc. become hardened, Liam skipped this process via the Cowell vehicle.

Of course the traditional route doesn't make you immune to issues (as was pointed out with Oasis and drugs being mentioned), but it does give you a better chance at taking the crap that inevitably comes your way.

Propelled by the immense leg up that is Idol, X Factor, Got Talent, its instant fame/success, as opposed to having to slowly grind your way to success, and being given a solid grounding while doing so. Sting talked about driving up and down the motorway in a van being in The Police, playing gigs (sometimes to tiny audiences), struggling to get a record deal. This gives you a perspective that these talent show winners/successes don't get. They get instant fame, and in Liam's case immense fame, but what happens when this ends as it usually does in these quick fire successful acts? There is no safety buffer for him, no memory bank of playing infront of 30 people at a gig and then driving 80 mile to another gig to play infront of another handful. He has only known massive crowds, flashbulbs going off, paparazzi etc.

The two Simons created shows that transformed music and television, but if you have the talent to succeed I'd be looking at the traditional/organic route.

Yet his group mates all seem ok. I think, yes I'm speculating, he was very aware that he was the uncool one. He couldn't compete with the star quality of Zayn and Styles. Easy for him and others to blame pressures of fame and being holed up in hotel rooms but I bet that was the easy part.

The difficult bit would be the aftermath when others were still successful and he wasn't.

He needed a focus and purpose. Such a shame he couldn't find something workwise to inspire him when the music side was over.

Redcrayons · 18/10/2024 11:48

PlantHeadNo5 · 18/10/2024 09:32

If you read up thread people are heavily hunting towards foul play. Someone even said they wouldn’t believe what is being reported. Elsewhere People are bringing up Sean Combs and starting to say it was Cheryl’s fault because she groomed him. The water is getting well and truly muddy.

Everything is a conspiracy theory these days.

soupfiend · 18/10/2024 11:48

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 18/10/2024 10:46

Mentioned earlier about individuals (or groups) in music who come up the traditional way, ie. work the small clubs, build an audience etc. become hardened, Liam skipped this process via the Cowell vehicle.

Of course the traditional route doesn't make you immune to issues (as was pointed out with Oasis and drugs being mentioned), but it does give you a better chance at taking the crap that inevitably comes your way.

Propelled by the immense leg up that is Idol, X Factor, Got Talent, its instant fame/success, as opposed to having to slowly grind your way to success, and being given a solid grounding while doing so. Sting talked about driving up and down the motorway in a van being in The Police, playing gigs (sometimes to tiny audiences), struggling to get a record deal. This gives you a perspective that these talent show winners/successes don't get. They get instant fame, and in Liam's case immense fame, but what happens when this ends as it usually does in these quick fire successful acts? There is no safety buffer for him, no memory bank of playing infront of 30 people at a gig and then driving 80 mile to another gig to play infront of another handful. He has only known massive crowds, flashbulbs going off, paparazzi etc.

The two Simons created shows that transformed music and television, but if you have the talent to succeed I'd be looking at the traditional/organic route.

I think this is a red herring

There have always been manufactured pop stars, right back to the 50s

But in terms of those who werent, the Stones, Beatles, Eric Clapton, right to much later ones, Bowie, Bolan and even later, they all had massive drink and drug problems to a lesser or greater degree.

I dont think instant fame is a marker of the amount of risk of that.

Comefromaway · 18/10/2024 11:53

Yet his group mates all seem ok. I think, yes I'm speculating, he was very aware that he was the uncool one. He couldn't compete with the star quality of Zayn and Styles. Easy for him and others to blame pressures of fame and being holed up in hotel rooms but I bet that was the easy part.

He had (undiagnosed until recently) ADHD and potentially autism. Sadly, ADHD is linked with addictive behaviour and risk taking activities. He'd have been seeking that dopamine rush.

PlantHeadNo5 · 18/10/2024 11:54

Redcrayons · 18/10/2024 11:48

Everything is a conspiracy theory these days.

It really is, it’s so exhausting. I wouldn’t have the brain capacity to be a conspiracy theorist, it must be so tiring

Seasmoke · 18/10/2024 12:10

Yet his group mates all seem ok. I think, yes I'm speculating, he was very aware that he was the uncool one. He couldn't compete with the star quality of Zayn and Styles.
Hasn't Zayn got all sorts of issues with drugs/ destructive relationships too? Harry seems like he has embraced the whole fame thing and plays along with it but seems more able to cope. But that must be easier when you are the most successful. He also hasn't gone round having babies while too young and in unstable relationships like most of the rest of them seem to have done. They must be intermittent fathers at best.

Woopthereitisman · 18/10/2024 12:22

What happened with Steve wright?

ellebelli · 18/10/2024 12:25

Yes I thought zayn had lots of reported issues, however that was several years ago so may have fought them.
Sad that life turned out this way for Liam.

soupfiend · 18/10/2024 12:25

I think there was a lot of media bashing about how fat, unfunny, idiotic and unlikeable he was

There were lots of threads on here about him, posters saying the same thing

I thought he was great personally so never quite understood the criticism

Cant have been nice for him reading all that.

Seasmoke · 18/10/2024 12:52

Woopthereitisman · 18/10/2024 12:22

What happened with Steve wright?

The DM used to publish pictures of him walking to work looking his worst, knowing as they do that it would invite comments about how fat/unkempt/ unfunny he was,then when he died, it was all interviewing his sadface ' mates' saying he had died of a broken heart with their usual dose of BBC bashing.

Mrsdoyler · 18/10/2024 13:12

Niall and Harry have released statements now.

It made me cry. I know that shock of seeing someone one day and then realising that you will never see them again

Mrsdoyler · 18/10/2024 13:17

Someone said yet all his group mates seem ok

Zayn doesn't seem particularly stable does he? He's always in the press having slanging matches with his in laws over his child

Mrsdoyler · 18/10/2024 13:18

Did anyone see the new photos of Liam in the lobby just before he died.

A woman staying there talked to him and took photos of him.

He doesn't look completely out of it?

CrowleyKitten · 18/10/2024 13:19

PlantHeadNo5 · 18/10/2024 09:10

Blimey, I didn’t realise the conspiracy theorists would be out so early with this one. Why does everything have to be a huge conspiracy these days? Sometimes the answer is the obvious one.

you think THIS is conspiracy theory? trust me, I've seen even more deranged theories. they really are bonkers out there.

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