Liam Payne dead

[Anotherdayanothernight]

Just heard on the news abroad he fell from the third floor off a hotel in Buenos Aires, if true it's very sad as he was so young and seemed like a lovely guy

I dunno I just thought it was a strange assumption to make. Unless the balcony was unsafe. I've never heard of anyone assuming someone will fall off a balcony when they're smashing a room up. It just struck me as odd. I was wondering if there was an altercation with someone. I'm sure it's happened before, but it might be my imagination & I should go & write a book or something 😅

There's been talk of an altercation in the lobby because he wanted to go into the pool and was not allowed. Perhaps they feared he might try jump (as I understand it is suspected he might have?)

It does seem reasonable to recognise someone in that state is at heightened risk to themselves if they're in an enclosed space with a balcony, but it does seem weird to acknowledge the extra risk but have taken him back to his room. Not saying it's hotel staff fault! I worked abroad for a few seasons in a hotel, and you are more aware of potential stuff like this as it sadly happens more than you'd think (and isn't usually reported). A lot of the young children drowning for example is because they 'escape' from the hotel room via the low balconies or windows.

I think the whole thing is strange. The post mortem was done on the same day as death ( may be the culture of the country) and findings released to public right away. The photos of his hotel room shown on news, absolute invasion of privacy, think how his family would feeling knowing the world saw that. I don't know anything about Liam, I was too old for One Direction but how can we believe photos. Things could have been placed in room to take any guilt from hotel maybe having a dodgy balcony. Frankly I don't believe stories in press about anything these days. It's so sad a young man losing his life at such a young age. I do feel that if he needed help he could well afford to seek it with professionals , the majority of people can't.

So terribly tragic. As more information comes out though it seems he felt things were hopeless.

• Dropped by his record label recently.
• His PR company resigned
• Ex girlfriends book and interviews. What she said was very disturbing. Then the cease and desist.
• Drugs and alcohol
• Current girlfriend left as she 'needed to go home'. Didn't seem like things had been good between them.

You do wonder how people with all the resources in the world can't rally people around to help them. Maybe he didn't tell people or maybe he didn't want help, but from his recent videos it seemed pretty obvious he was on a downward spiral.

News reports say he was found with a phone, lighter and bottle of whiskey and was not in the typical reflex position. Reports that he was conscious/ semi conscious when he fell.

Realistically what else could they have done if someone who was high on drugs and smashing things up in the lobby needed to be removed for the safety of other guests? It sounds like they called the police. Did they lock him in his room or did he stomp up to his room when he was removed from the lobby/pool area and smashed that up? Why does it have to be some poor hotel workers fault that someone who was high on drink and drugs jumped off a balcony? It doesn't matter how high the balcony is if someone wants to climb onto it and jump off/ dive into the pool. People don't want glass screens or too high balconies in their hotels.

Has anyone said its their fault? I was highlighting it's probably why they mentioned it had a balcony- in the hope police would respond faster as it's a heightened risk.

I think the problem when ypu get that rich is that you don't have friends. You have hangers on who do what you want. Same with people like Matthew Perry and Michael Jackson. Surrounded by yes men and flunkies buying them drugs and unscrupulous people who want to tap you for money.

I wasn't referring to your post which specifi ally didn't blame hotel workers but in general there has been 'why did the hotel do this or that'

Just all so very sad. Why was he alone, why was such a famous person in such a public hotel and not somewhere a bit more discreet and private. His gf had gone home why was he still there and where were his friends?

It is of course difficult to help self destructive people. I believe in Caroline flack's final days family and friends took turns to be with her as she was vulnerable, sadly they couldn't help her but what was Payne doing alone running amok in a hotel accessible to fans and the media without anyone close to him keeping an eye?

Blimey, I didn’t realise the conspiracy theorists would be out so early with this one. Why does everything have to be a huge conspiracy these days? Sometimes the answer is the obvious one.

Yes I've seen this theory quite a lot. He was really angry he wasn't being allowed in the pool, he was taken back to his room where he proceeded to have a massive meltdown. It makes sense to why the hotel manager would say specifically they were worried about the balcony in his room. They were afraid he was going to try and jump off it into the pool.

Even the Daily Mail are mentioning it!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13971087/amp/liam-payne-death-sean-diddy-combs-encounter.html

Yep it's bizarre the blaming of lots of other people, Hotel workers GF, exs etc.

People might not want to hear it but the only person at fault that night is Liam and he paid the price.

Weird?

He was behaving erratically and breaking things in his room so they would have every expectation that he may act dangerously and hurt himself or someone else. He probably did have an altercation with staff, thats what happens if someone is high as a kite and has no control of themselves

Fell or jumped in that context is a bit irrelevant, you can be acting dangerously and fall or you can be acting dangerously and move over the balcony with purpose (ie jump).

Whats weird about it?

I see we have the Internet detectives out in force now. Have we learnt nothing from Nicola Bulley and the Princess of Wales?!

The gutter press, and the likes of the Mail are disgusting.

Yes I agree he was responsible for his own actions.

However, he should not have been alone. He was clearly out of control, high risk and vulnerable.

All the teary tributes are lovely but I'd be interested to know if people had actually kept in touch with him.

Yes this is so true. I became an addict becuse I was self-medicating the trauma I had from physical sexual n mental abuse as a child and teen. It wasn't being acknoledged by the adults around me and I blamed myself so it was a self-destructive way of hurting myself and comforting myself at the same time.

A key part of my recovery in addition to NA and AA meetings was really good DBT (which I got privately - best investment of my life) where I explored these things and had them validated and talked them out, as a result I was able to acknowledge and manage my pain without drugs and alcohol

Agree, I think it would be more weird if you didn't consider a 3rd floor balcony to be a risk when someone is heavily under the influence of drink or drugs !

What is the conspiracy theory? I haven't seen it.

Liam openly talked about his addiction issues. He acknowledged them. They weren’t invented.

What were the hotel staff supposed to do? They did try. They did intervene. Yes he shouldn’t have been alone, but also it’s a lot to cope with for another human being and sometimes addicts end up alone because the strain is simply too much on others. No one can comment unless they’ve been in that place and it’s easy after the fact to start saying ‘Well why didn’t you…?’. Plus if he had been lying to others and pretending he was happy and not on drink or drugs and coping then people relax. We cannot be pointing fingers or blame. His loved ones will undoubtedly blame themselves for then rest of their lives, as is typical.

If you read up thread people are heavily hunting towards foul play. Someone even said they wouldn’t believe what is being reported. Elsewhere People are bringing up Sean Combs and starting to say it was Cheryl’s fault because she groomed him. The water is getting well and truly muddy.

Maybe in a minority of cases, but it isnt always that complicated.

Many addicts try a substance, like it and want more. As simple as that.

Not as dramatic as ptsd or undiagnosed mh issues but many do simply start and think it is recreational, then realise it isn't by which point it is too late and they are hooked.

Incredible

I can tell you today that somewhere in the UK, someone who is drunk or off their face on drugs will come a cropper, they'll walk out into traffic, have a household accident, fall down some stairs, have a heart attack, die from any manner of causes due to not being physically or mentally coherent and no one will suspect foul play because people understand the risks of someone in that situation.

I think they're trained to mention this when they need to contact emergency services because of the amount of discourse that has happened with balconies.

People jump, children fall, people push other people, etc. So I don't think it was just mentioned for the sake of it. It's really a safeguarding risk that I'm sure they are aware of as hotel staff.