Liam Payne dead

[Anotherdayanothernight]

Just heard on the news abroad he fell from the third floor off a hotel in Buenos Aires, if true it's very sad as he was so young and seemed like a lovely guy

He had just delayed release of his second album, he was still making music.

Him and his GF had gone to argentina to see Niall Horan in concert, they decided to stay on. His GF said it was supposed to be a 5 day trip, that they extended, after 2 weeks she left, 2 days ago, as she wanted to go home, he chose to stay.

The crime is still the crime. How horrible to be relentlessly harassed, and for your own mum and friends to be harassed in the same way.

Yes he was over there to see a Niall Horan concert. Has Niall said anything about it yet

Yes it was horrible it if happened.

But was there proof? Anyone can say anything.

Really? But the balconies aren’t that low

None of the 1D boys have said anything publicly yet, which is understandable, they are probably still processing the loss of their friend.

If he was as chaotic and drug fuelled as they're saying, something was always going to go wrong. If it wasn't falling off a balcony (why did the hotel staff leave him in the room if they were concerned about the balcony as per 911 call?!) it would have been overdosing or drowning etc.

Heavy drug use rarely ends well. People around him will have known he had a problem so probably aren't all that shocked.

Something to be aware of though, is suicide and drug use doesn't just occur in celebrity culture. Those who are blaming his industry/career, what about all the other young men who aren't celebrities going missing, committing suicide or falling into addiction. It's easy to blame the industry but these are issues that affect thousands of young men all over the world.

He may have been drunk/drug fuelled and fallen, but he had spoken previously, very openly and candidly, about his mental health struggles and recurring suicidal thoughts. This past fortnight he has been absolutely dragged on SM, it wouldn't shock me if it came out as not being accidental.

Repeating what i said earlier, but i wonder if there will be an outpouring of #bekind following the death of an imperfect young male, as there was an imperfect young female.

How would that work exactly with multiple country's with different laws and freedoms.

Also can't you see how open to abuse the that would be.

I think its that there's a disproportionate correlation between young fame and self-destructive behaviour. There are many, many examples of people suffering MH issues later in life after achieving young fame.

Most young people have boundaries that are naturally imposed like, not having the capacity to buy almost anything you want, not having limitless sexual opportunities, certainly not having people defer to and idolise you. Most young people take considerable time to earn those things, only achieving them when they are much older and their brains have developed fully. And may never achieve them. That makes for more grounding in a time when you are not mature yet. Contrast achieving all that whilst your brain isn't yet fully matured. It's a potential disaster. Even rich heir/esses usually have obligations tied up with that wealth

It's interesting because you might also question are personality variables at work? So are people with certain personality characteristics - high extroversion scoring for e.g, more likely to be drawn to high profile careers which involve more interaction and direct positive reinforcement from others like music, acting etc and are therefore more sensitive to negative reinforcement?

But that would not account for all the people who weren't seeking fame but are pushed into fame by their parents from a young age and still go on to have problems I guess.

Which balconies aren't that low? I've heard that balconies in the UK tend to be higher than in many other countries.

Oh its absolutely unworkable.

But thats why people - and by that, I mean journalists, media publishers, social media users - all need to have a sense of dignity and respect.

Even if TMZ had been given those photos, they should have published something along the lines of "we're not publishing them as it's insensitive" rather than "wahey, we can make money from this"

The lack of ethics amongst media in general is appalling.

I doubt if it will ever be confirmed as suicide or accident. There won't be cctv in the room I wouldnt think.
It sounds like he was having a bit of a meltdown but no one can say what was in his mind at the moment he went over the balcony. And furthermore no one needs to know do they? Except maybe his poor parents.The whole thing is tragic enough without everyone speculating, same as for Matthew Perry, (another example of someone talented and otherwise apparently a nice person but with demons that may have affected their behaviour).

@FasterMichelin do we know that the hotel staff left him alone in his room ?

It would be tragic whoever this was. But we are united by having heard of him.

From the look of the transcript, the door was locked and they couldn’t get in which is why they called for help?

I don’t think it’s fair at all to put any blame on the staff @FasterMichelin - it would have likely been a difficult situation for them. I’m sure the way it unfolded will have been incredibly upsetting for everyone.

He could have been suffering from acute psychosis. It's more common than you'd think for people to throw themselves from height during a manic episode. The person isn't suicidal at all, they just are trying to escape the madness in their head, or they think someone is trying to harm them. Really terrible.

Strange they couldn't get in as hotels have spare keys. Maybe they were scared as he was apparently smashing things up and being aggressive.

I agree that what she has been through is awful. But she’s also courted their relationship. She wrote a fictional book about him being a ‘washed up singer’ and she regularly did interviews giving her opinion on him. What he did to her was wrong and she has every right to discuss that situation, but she has also talked a lot about other personal things about him which personally I don’t think she should have done. It’s all a bit off.

I feel very sorry for his child.

@SallyWD he might have been blocking the door with a chair or other furniture

They'll have had a master key though. I get it's a scary situation but if you're genuinely scared for a life, then I'd have thought they'd enter and restrain.

No blame though as we are all human and I understand it would have been a difficult situation.

No. A lot of hotels have an extra lock inside the room these days, that staff can't open.

Its not the hotel staff's fault at all, they're not police, they cant say someone should or shouldnt be in a room on their own. They called police quite rightly, thats all they can do

What has been said on social media? I was giving my 16 yo dd a lift this morning and she said Liam had been accused of being abusive to his ex. I have seen nothing on the mainstream media and have never heard anything negative about him. I am wondering if someone has been talking shit on social media about him.

Funnily I was watching the Robbie Williams doc the other day and it showed them when they reunited after 10 years apart. It made it even crueller that some fans had taken their lives when they split.