Liam Payne dead

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Just heard on the news abroad he fell from the third floor off a hotel in Buenos Aires, if true it's very sad as he was so young and seemed like a lovely guy

You knew him did you? No thought not so your comment is highly inappropriate.

There was a photo of him taken a few years back of him hovering on the edge of a balcony. Perhaps he was someone who was always going to live on a knife edge. Some people have that destructive gene in them no matter what path they take. It’s really very tragic, he has left behind a son, poor little lad. Sad all round.

I think a lot of people are naive about the number of bog standard young people that lose their lives to drugs and alcoholism, just because you dont read about it, doesnt mean it isnt happening.

It's always shocking when someone well knows dies young, he was a heartthrob in one of the most successful boybands.

Obviously, it's not really a shock in terms of his lifestyle leading to tragedy, it sounds like he was in the grips of a crisis in an unsafe environment; drugs, alcohol, out of control behaviour, abroad, near a balcony. I'm sure no one close to him is shocked, albeit very sad. I have a drug user in my family and I wouldn't be shocked to hear of their passing, we all know she's in self destruct mode, although it would hurt. Drug addiction and alcoholism is deadly.

RIP Liam, I hope you've found peace.

Whilst I don't blame his ex for the abuse he allegedly did, I do wonder why she felt writing a book was appropriate.

She wrote a book?

Yes.

As I've said before, she doesn't sound like a very nice person herself

Yes but they were allegations. Trial by TikTok.

Heartbreaking for his family and his son.

Always was quite shocked at Cheryl Cole having a child with him. Even 7 years ago he seemed troubled, not overly intelligent etc. She's 10 years older than him. I'm around the age she was when she gave birth and the idea of my having a baby with a man in his early twenties is bizarre. Even if he was worth 47 million, surely that can't compensate being lacking as a father? She seems to have made some very unintelligent choices and as usual, the child pays the price.

Hopefully the boy will provide some comfort to Liams family, that he has left something more tangible and worthwhile behind than just money and pop songs. And hopefully there won't be fighting over who gets all the millions.

Yes this details some of it

www.boredpanda.com/liam-paynes-ex-maya-henry-accuses-chasing-her-with-axe-other-women-speak-out/

Abuse allegations were just allegations.

Nothing was proven yet

@DalRiata I agree but I hope you feel the same about men in their 30s having children with women in their 20s? I don't like either way.

But it's true.

And didn’t she meet him first when he was 14? Seems odd to me how she didn’t face criticism over that in the way Phillip Schofield did when he met someone as a teen then had a relationship with them years later

Addication is a human condition. How many people aren't addicted to something, whether it's a cup of tea / coffee / their smart phone / shopping / food?

addiction isn't about the substance. it's about filling a hole that ultimately cannot be filled. Very sad for his family and the fans who've suddenly lost a childhood constant.

Cheryl absolutely did face criticism.

But where did this destructive phase start with Liam?

I mean didn't he have a more or less normal and grounded relationship with CC? I have to say I didn't think it a wise decision that they got together as he seemed immature, especially young fatherhood, but it seemed to be ok and the relationship seemed stable? I don't recall reading about any drug taking during that phase.

Did it start after their breakup?

I think all young people on the music industry should have mandatory therapy and support offered by record companies and minders. I remember Miley Cyrus supposedly having a time when those around her weren't looking out for best interests and her father was concerned and literally had no way to influence her at all anymore, couldn't even contact her without having to go through people (allegedly). Lets not forget Britney. These young celebs are not surrounded by people who care about them, but by sycophants who artificially boost their egos then desert them when it all comes crashing down.

She MET him, didn't start a relationship with him until years later when they were much older. I still thought it an odd pairing. She was also single, and wasn't gaslighting a husband and children about being a family guy who was also straight. There is a big difference.

Did it affect her career and cancel her though in the same way ? Although the whole racism incident didn’t seem to have any impact either so maybe she’s untouchable for some reason 🤷‍♀️

Yes you’re probably right and I’ve probably made a error bringing it up so apologies if not in keeping with thread

@Mrsdoyler Why is it harsh? That poster said it was very sad, just not surprising. And yes when people abuse their bodies so much then sometimes you wait for the bad news. I loved Amy Winehouse but I was always expecting news of her death.

It's the way it was worded.

Its harsh to say "oh its inevitable and not surprising that a young person will die, if they have addiction issues".

I don't think it's true either. My flatmate works as an addiction nurse and she helps the addict a long with a lot of other agencies. I believe that a lot of people recover.

But where did this destructive phase start with Liam?

When he was in OD. He talked about how he was drunk a lot of the time, because basically the level of fame he and the others were catapulted into when they were 16 was so crazy that being numb helped. That level of fame at a very young age (see also Justin Bieber) must be a total head-fuck. And no-one really helps you to navigate it. Backstage you can have anything you want - drink, drugs, girls, boys, ANYTHING. Bands are surrounded by enablers and dealers and people who can source whatever they want.

There is a really interesting book about how utterly destructive the lifestyle of being a famous musician is - it's focused on rock bands - but it holds true for any kind of extreme fame and spending long periods of time away from home and loved ones and the people that ground you and stop you behaving in an utterly self-destructive manner. It's called Bodies: Life and Death in Music by Ian Winwood. It's a sad, but fascinating read.

It's tragic that he was completely out of it and the staff had originally called to say please help us, he's smashed up his laptop downstairs, he's smashing up his room, there's a dangerous balcony.

It's also so sad if you watch the video he posted just a few hours earier having breakfast with his gf. He was amazingly talented but if I'm honest, in that video he didn't come across as super nice. He is a victim of drugs and money though, it's a terrible pity.

@Mrsdoyler it's not harsh - it's just the truth. I think it's very sad, particularly for his family and his 7-year-old son - but it just isn't surprising.

Edited to say: Amy's death was utterly tragic too. But she was a serious bulimic who had been abusing alcohol and drugs for years. She'd finally got clean from the drugs, but I think everyone was expecting her to die when she was with Blake Fielder-Civil. The pictures in the tabloids at that time showed someone who was pretty near death and it was horrible to see. Is it harsh to say what pretty much everyone was thinking? I don't think so.

I don't think it is the truth. I think a lot of addicts recover. Or maintain the problem but don't die at a young age.

I think it's pretty rare for young addicts to die