Would you eat halal meat?

[poppppy]

Just seen something trending on twitter and im curious to know if non Muslims eat halal meat and if not, why?

Would it be ok if I said the same of your choice?

Of course it would. I chant make you respect me and couldn't care less if you don't.

Of course we have to respect the concept of choice in a democracy. Otherwise we're moving towards a dictatorship.

Choice when it comes to animals suffering. lol. We don't allow many things here, like stealing for example, because we've developed as a society to see them as wrong. Does not allowing people to steal make the U.K. a dictatorship.

At the moment, slaughtering animals is seen as ok by many, but there is a growing number of people who don't see it as ok. Views take time to change.

can't

You're missing the point.
It's not about respecting the person or their choice, it's about respecting the concept of choice. 🫣
Meat eating is still a valid and necessary choice, even if you choose not to do it. Eating meat isn't comparable to theft.

Because it's not as drawn out.

It's still not humane.
No slaughter is.
Some of us accept that because we want/need to eat meat.

I explained to you that my son has dietary reasons why I will never omit meat and dairy from our diets. I will always use these products in our home. That is my decision. I will look for the most ethical ways of doing this, but acknowledge that there is no guarantee. It remains my decision to cook and consume meat products. It remains my decision to view halal differently and due to personal choice not consume halal products.

It remains my belief that if you respect a Muslims right to eat halal, then you should respect my right not to. Especially if your argument is that they are the same.

You're missing the point.
It's not about respecting the person or their choice, it's about respecting the concept of choice.
Meat eating is still a valid and necessary choice, even if you choose not to do it. Eating meat isn't comparable to theft.

We don't have to respect the concept of choice if those choices cause deliberate harm and suffering. Morality just needs to catch up.

It's so strange that people try to demand respect from others. No one has to respect anyone else's choices if they don't agree with.

My son is on a nearly keto diet due to fructose and salicylate and gluten intolerances. He also avoids processed foods due to the liberal use of onion and garlic powders in the UK.

What would you suggest?

So if you don't respect the concept of choice would you be happy if an appointed representative told you how every aspect of your life was going to be organised?
You must only wear blue.
You must only eat breakfast at 0600.
You must work as a painter.
You must have short hair.
You must boil an egg for lunch every day.
You can only go online from 7pm to 8pm.
If it's a no to any of this then you must realise that you really do respect the concept of choice.

Well that makes this whole thread a lot easier! Screw people’s religious, cultural or ethical viewpoints! Offer one thing and if you can’t or don’t like it then tough.

Doesn't sound like much of a tolerant democracy though 🧐

I inow what I'd suggest but pp might not appreciate my suggestion. Your situation illustrates why choice is important.

Quite. Some of the people who claim to be tolerant and good, are the least tolerant and good.

Not knowingly. Some chains serve only halal so I would avoid them.
If there was no option I would choose a meat free alternative.
I never buy imported meat.

Well that makes this whole thread a lot easier! Screw people’s religious, cultural or ethical viewpoints! Offer one thing and if you can’t or don’t like it then tough.

I'm talking about people trying to demand respect from individuals.

I find the moralising around this very silly and hypocritical. There’s no way to humanely slaughter an animal. If you don’t want to pay for animal
suffering go vegan :)

Yes, I live in a vastly Muslim populated area, so most of the meat served in takeaways and restaurants is halal.
No problem with it, apparently around 90% of lamb in the UK is halal anyway.
I don't tend to buy my meat for the weekly shop from the halal section, but more because its a smaller selection than the general chicken in tesco/ morrisons.

But there are wider reaching implications of your viewpoint.

You can’t just say it’s limited to meat eaters. But other people can demand other types of respect.

We each respect one another’s choices as long as they are within the law. Or we don’t and become a dictatorship.

Meat eating will always be legal, because some people have no choice but to have a meat heavy diet. Maybe one day we’ll be able to grow meat on a much bigger scale - and change that, but right now we can’t.

@zeitweilig

I do wish you would read what I wrote which was 'We don't have to respect the concept of choice if those choices cause deliberate harm and suffering.'

Not wearing blue or eating breakfast at 8am doesn't cause deliberate harm and suffering.

That’s perfectly fine, but it’s not just your view and Muslim views that count. There are many different cultural, religious and ethical views that should not be dismissed. So whilst you might be ok with eating halal, you don’t get to say my belief is ‘silly’…because you wouldn’t say that to a Muslim about their belief would you (probably).

@Bananafoster

People get to make choices but they are not entitled to be respected by every single person just because those choices may be within the law.

I don't respect fathers who walk away from their children and do everything to avoid paying for them.

I don't respect people who cheat on their partners.

I don't respect parents who shout at their children

All legal, but immoral and I'm within my rights to not respect their choices.

As for the small minority who may 'need' to eat meat, if meat was produced only for those who needed it, it could be done with much higher welfare standards quite easily. It's the huge industrial scale of it that makes it even more brutal for animals.

Ok. But again, that information is irrelevant to me, because I am talking in the context of the thread and original post.

If you’re saying you neither respect Muslims nor Non-Muslims who eat meat. Then that’s fine.

If you argue that you respect Muslims right to eat halal, but don’t respect non-Muslims right not to, because it’s all cruel meat eating anyway, then that makes you a hypocrite.

My question is, which are you?

Ok. But again, that information is irrelevant to me, because I am talking in the context of the thread and original post.

If you’re saying you neither respect Muslims nor Non-Muslims who eat meat. Then that’s fine.

If you argue that you respect Muslims right to eat halal, but don’t respect non-Muslims right not to, because it’s all cruel meat eating anyway, then that makes you a hypocrite.

My question is, which are you?

It's not irrelevant because posters have been telling others how we should respect others choices, not just around eating meat. The fact is we don't have to respect things we don't agree with, especially when others suffer.

I don't respect anyone's choice to eat meat unnecessarily. I agree with a op who said it's shocking that we care more about respecting something that is most likely made up like religion or culture than we do about real living creatures in front of us.

pp not op