Would you eat halal meat?

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Just seen something trending on twitter and im curious to know if non Muslims eat halal meat and if not, why?

Ok, well I won’t argue with that. You’re entitled to your opinion. I am only really interested in arguing the point of the thread.
Have a lovely Sunday!

Lots of people are hypocrites anyway, like those that say they live animals and care about welfare, yet eat animal products unnecessarily.

They get to choose to be hypocrites, it's a democracy after all.

**love not live

Can you edit on the app?

No idea sorry. I’ve never used the app. But I know what it’s like. The phone deliberately sets me up with spelling errors or alternative words all of the time.

Do you think whatever someone thinks should be allowed to stand on an anonymous forum (which has Talk Guidelines on things we can and cannot say, may I add) just because it’s their opinion? It’s been deleted now and rightly so. Clearly not enough people were reporting it at the time which says a lot

Yes, why not?
When a Muslim friend invites my husband and me, it's always a bit of a food show and definitely a halal meat.

No idea sorry. I’ve never used the app. But I know what it’s like. The phone deliberately sets me up with spelling errors or alternative words all of the time.

Glad it's not just me! 😂

I do wish you would also read what I'm writing. You're either in support of choice or not in support of choice, clearly within a legal framework. It seems like you don't have an argument.

Not sure.
You can only do it on the web version for a limited period of time.
We know what you meant anyway.

Clearly it's obvious hate speech it should be deleted, but saying that you personally feel organised religion to be akin to a cult isn't hate speech. It's a valid opinion.

I hope you are a communist, because you seem to be labouring under the assumption that democracy ensures freedom of choice for all individuals when it actually enforces the choices of the majority. Which is all well and good when the individuals choice aligned with the majority but when it doesn’t you quickly find your options are limited.

Setting aside any moral/ethical arguments, and view it practically. Muslims strictly must eat halal meat, as is their choice. There are now enough Muslims in this country to warrant the industrial production of halal meat. A majority of people, as reflected in the views on this thread, based of the information available to them, have made the choice to be fine with eating this too. Therefore capitalist democracy has provided a solution to this market landscape. Those who are not fine with this have found themselves in a minority, and are now faced with a lack of choice. Everybody is expressing their choices and this outcome is the aggregate of that. Nobody’s really forcing anyone to do anything, it’s society working in response to people’s choices.

So in answer to your question, we do respect the Muslims right to eat halal, and the non Muslims right not to, it’s just the latter is outweighed by the former plus the people who aren’t Muslim but don’t mind eating it. Muslims have Allah, Christians have God (both the same guy I understand) for the rest of us free market capitalism is god. Freedom of choice is limited by what the market offers, what makes profit. There’s no more to it than that, bringing in ethics, morals and respect is just woolly headed nonsense. I mean people are free to eat roadkill if they want but you won’t find it in Sainsbury’s.

It’s a symptom of the demographic shift in the UK, which you may or may not be happy about.
And if the majority cared about ethics morals and respect, Muslims included, we wouldn’t be killing animals in the ways described in the first place, as multiple pps have pointed out.

Eh?

Tldr: no point arguing about freedom/respect of choice when this is a socioeconomic phenomenon.

I’m not ok with eating any meat, I thought that was really clear from my comment

You can love and eat animals at the same time ya know

What absolute nonsense. I can and do purchase non halal meat every day and continue to do so. I do consume food from non halal restaurants and cafes. There is still a requirement for non halal in the is country. We are multi cultural after all.

My responses are not in reply to an arguement about availability of non halal food, but the idea that I am Islamaphobic or racism for choosing not to eat it.

Surprised to read that most supermarket meat is halal? Had no idea. Where would it say?

As pointed out several times there’s no compelling argument not to eat it in terms of animal welfare compared with farmed meat slaughtered ‘conventionally’, so outside of your religious or cultural preferences, which you’re entitled to but in the grand scheme of things don’t really matter to anyone outside your own head or on this thread. I’m saying the way things are going you’re going to find halal meat becoming more widespread in the places you’ve mentioned, so your may find your individual freedom of choice limited regardless of your held beliefs. There’s a reason it’s in all major supermarkets and kosher isn’t.

Sure, I often eat halal meat. No issue with it at all.

Although I’m a meat eater, I agree with the gist of what this poster is saying! It seems bizarre to complain about killing animals while a prayer is said but to be absolutely fine about killing the same animals without the prayer! Either way the animal dies. You either care if the animal dies or you don’t.

You can love and eat animals at the same time ya know

Oh Emma. 😂

I don’t eat meat.

Those of you who do, if you’re eating out, getting takeaways or travelling abroad, you will be eating halal meat.

The only reason halal meat exists is religion. If religion can be an important enough reason for halal meat to exist, then religion can be an important enough reason for all halal meat to be labelled as such. Unless, of course, some religions are more equal than others.

I do believe that a non-religious philosophical or moral belief is as valid and important as a religiously-based belief, but you'll never get anywhere (at least not on MN) by arguing on that basis, as religious beliefs are privileged above non-religious beliefs. Any non-religious philosophical or moral objection to being unknowingly sold or fed halal meat will be characterised as veiled Islamophobia. But there are legitimate religiously-based requirements for clear labelling of halal meat, so it's possible to ask why a religious requirement for non-ritually slaughtered meat is considered less important than a religious requirement for halal or kosher meat.

You are saying that society is changing to the point that markets will cater only to the majority demand. This goes against everything this country has stood for, where diversity is concerned.

Which makes me question what else will we lose if your prediction is realised? Will our laws change? What about the clothes we wear?

If people do not demand that we are a multicultural society in its truest form, where all viewpoints are respected, then we will become a single culture, single religion country again.

And whilst Jewish people or Sikhs may be a minority, why should they in the future not be able to access foods that are suitable for their equally important beliefs. I believe everyone, including Muslims, should have access to food that is culturally important to them.

Finally around 15% of the meat sold in the UK is halal, which is double the percentage of our Muslim population, which accounts for all of the non-Muslims who are happy enough to eat halal. So I think I’ll be ok for a while. And if that changes, then I guess I’ll have to stick to pork and shellfish.

If I have the option not to, I choose that, but I don't go out of my way to actively avoid it.