Would you eat halal meat?

[poppppy]

Just seen something trending on twitter and im curious to know if non Muslims eat halal meat and if not, why?

Calling people who don’t wish to eat halal ‘Islamaphobic’ infringes on their rights and freedoms to also have a choice. It is neither tolerant nor kind to accommodate one group of people at the expense of others, and people’s reasons for not wanting to eat halal are their own.
As long as Muslims feel respected and able to uphold their own beliefs, it really shouldn’t matter what a non Muslim is or isn’t eating.

It's 'nonmuslimphobia' if halal becomes the default option though. Choice matters.
Muslim posters can comment for themselves, but I'm going to assume most of them won't force non-muslims to eat halal just because they do.

Yes as I often get Indian takeaway, kfc and Nando’s is halal around here and a few nice chicken places that have recently opened are

I often buy halal chicken that’s sold in our local tescos and M&S can’t remember the brand name but the chicken wings are really good

I have never knowing ordered or bought halal (or kosher) meat, but I have no problem with it. I feel it'd be a little hypocritical, since I can't imagine non-halal meat is all that much better ethically. If I remember correctly, a slim majority of halal meat in the UK is stunned before slaughter- meaning halal slaughter and ethical slaughter are not mutually exclusive- and I'd like to see that percentage increase. Like many, I have lived the majority of my life eating meat with little consideration to the ethics of production, simply picking up the most reasonably-priced cut from the supermarket shelf. I try to be more considerate now.

I've also noticed that many of the people who complain about halal meat- including some in my own family- don't seem to be coming from a place of ethics at all. While I respect those who have strong morals and stick to them, I have no respect for anyone masking racism behind a false claim to support animal welfare. Ultimately I believe that fighting for better welfare during the animal's life will have a greater impact than the methods used in their final few minutes, and I donate to animal charities and support cruelty-free businesses in any way I can.

If the only concern someone has ever expressed over the welfare of animals is in response to a conversation about halal meat then I simply don't believe they care as much as they purport.

I care a lot less about any religion than I do about the welfare of actual animals that we 100% know are real, unlike religions. If animals 'must' be slaughtered to eat, religion shouldn't come into it. Minimising animals suffering should be the only consideration when humans are using them in the way they are.

Absolutely. I prefer to eat meat that has been humanely slaughtered.

Absolutely. I prefer to eat meat that has been humanely slaughtered.

why do you think it’s humane in comparison to non halal?

I've worked in a slaughter house (we call them processing plants) Please believe me when I say there is no humane way of slaughtering them.
We would hang the poultry up by their legs and plunge them into electrified boiling water. (Thousends every hour)
We would slaughter 9 thousand pigs a day.
Would you be happy to send your own pets off to die like this?

Exactly. I dislike the superiority of people saying they wouldn't eat halal meat as they care about animal welfare. Animals suffer for us to eat them. Full stop. I don't eat meat but I do eat cheese. I'm aware there's a lot of suffering in the dairy industry, so I don't feel superior.

I've never said I'm superior or that it's the slaughter method which bother me - no slaughter is pleasant, clearly. I just feel that there needs to be continued choice (for reasons already discussed). The default cannot be something which caters specifically for only one religious belief system.

I agree there should be choice and not only halal meat available. Choice is good. Halal animals are supposed to be raised with better welfare standards with an emphasis on clean and non-abusive environment. I doubt the same can be said for most farm animals. I think the last few minutes of life for all farm animals who are slaughtered is incredibly traumatic and terrifying. No animal drifts off to sleep peacefully. Everyone who eats meat should know this.

Anyone who eats meat is aware that animals are killed to allow them to eat meat. I think there are just different levels of how much it bothers folk. I do find it odd that society sees some animals as pets and others as food, and the distinction isn't necessarily related to intelligence level or cuteness of the animals. Western society tends to make the most clear distinction between food or pet. Then of course there's the aspect that some animals are considered suitable for medical experiments too. There's no getting away from the fact that we've all benefitted from the setting of humans above animals.

For people who say that, to not eat halal is hiding behind racism, would you say that to a Muslim about eating non-halal?

Would you say, it’s all the same. Halal and non-halal are equally bad in terms of animal welfare and therefore, Muslims should eat either non discriminately, and to not do so is simply racism?

No, you wouldn’t. Because you are showing respect for their religion and culture.

Yet you are so intolerant of others beliefs that you disregard them as not important enough and suggest they should eat halal or else they are Islamophobes or racists. If you say this, then you are not tolerant, or respecting diversity. You are intolerant or more likely virtue signaling.

To live in a multi cultural society is to remember that there is more than one culture or belief system and that all should be respected, so we can live harmoniously.

I have no issue with halal being sold in store. I choose not to eat it, as is my right. I want alternative options; which there should be as we live in a multicultural society.

@Bananafoster well said.

To live in a multi cultural society is to remember that there is more than one culture or belief system and that all should be respected, so we can live harmoniously.

You can't tell people they 'should' respect any culture or belief system that deliberately slaughters animals for food. I'm vegan and I'll never 'respect' any of it whether nor do I have to.

Then your view will be that meat eaters of any race or religion are equally barbaric. Halal vs non halal won’t come into it for you.

But you show your intolerance to one group over another, if or when you say that non-halal meat eaters shouldn’t be bothered by halal, as it’s all the same.

It isn’t the same. Otherwise Muslims should be equally happy to eat non-halal shouldn’t they?

The ethics of meat eating is an entirely different discussion.

Then your view will be that meat eaters of any race or religion are equally barbaric. Halal vs non halal won’t come into it for you.

But you show your intolerance to one group over another, if or when you say that non-halal meat eaters shouldn’t be bothered by halal, as it’s all the same.

It isn’t the same. Otherwise Muslims should be equally happy to eat non-halal shouldn’t they?

The ethics of meat eating is an entirely different discussion.

If a person doesn't eat halal meat because they think it's cruel or barbaric, but they eat non halal....because that's not cruel or barbaric right? Then they're deluded. It's all cruel and barbaric. Stunning often isn't done properly, the animals are terrified before it even if it is. The halal way doesn't make it any better...so yes it's all the same as it's all as bad as each other.

When killing animals for meat, the only thing that should matter is minimising animals suffering, not some ideology or any beliefs.

Fair enough. As long as you apply your opinion equally to Muslims and non-Muslims.

I fully admit that animal slaughter and processing is brutal. And as a meat eater, it’s not something I like to think about, which you probably won’t appreciate as I’m sure you feel that we should be fully conscious about what we eat and where it comes from.

I will say that my son suffers with a range of unusual intolerances, for example he has intolerances to fructose, gluten and salicylates. This means that he cannot eat the majority of fruit or vegetables. He’s particularly hypersensitive to anything made from onion, garlic, or onion and garlic powders. These happen to be in a wide variety of processed foods, including vegan products. His diet consists of meat, eggs, cheese, rice, green beans, potatoes and not much else. Whilst I personally will often have meat free days (for health and cost reasons) I cannot stop meat and dairy use entirely. It’s the main part of my son’s diet.

I do however try to purchase meat that has been processed as sustainably as possible. I use farm shops, or look for RSPCA certified produce. I realise that nothing can be guaranteed when eating meat, except that an animal has experienced some suffering to provide us with food, but again, this is a separate conversation to the halal/non halal one.

You should respect the concept of choice, even if people don't make the same choices as you. Vegans benefit from the consumption of meat within society as a whole just as much as meat eaters do, despite personally not eating meat.

RSPCA assured is a load of bollocks. like all the other similar 'welfare' stuff such as red tractor etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj9nl88k0mo.amp

You should respect the concept of choice, even if people don't make the same choices as you. Vegans benefit from the consumption of meat within society as a whole just as much as meat eaters do, despite personally not eating meat.

No I don't have to 'respect' it.

But still not relevant to this conversation.

Would it be ok if I said the same of your choice?
Of course we have to respect the concept of choice in a democracy. Otherwise we're moving towards a dictatorship. 🫣

It it when YOU mentioned RSPCA certified @Bananafoster

People may read your comment and look for those products believing they're good when they're not. These products give some people a false sense of assurance.

Threads evolve. It was relevant to the conversation. You don't have to reply if you don't want want to.

A family member works in the meat trade (Welsh lamb). Apparently all lamp is Halal.