And AGAIN, where the hell was the father?!

[PyongyangKipperbang]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8elyx27p56o

Not suggesting he is responsible for their deaths but.....

They lived in squalor, the toilet and bath were both unusable due to being filled with rubbish so they used pots and buckets instead. He knew that the mother left them to go to the local shop and appears to be fine with that, and describes her as a "good mother". WTF?!

Two sets of twins in under two years and where the hell was he? Even in a strong team working marriage that would be a struggle, but a single mother doing it.....

I am not making excuses for her. What she did both before their deaths and in what caused their deaths was inexcusable. But if you knew that your childs other parent was struggling to that extent then you should step up, and if you dont know then you are not involved enough in their lives to know that they are living in filth.

He isnt directly responsible for their deaths but he is surely guilty of neglect?! How the fucking hell has not been charged with that?!

I thought you were bowing out of this thread.

That’s really bad.
I wasn’t sure if a parent could refuse entry to a social worker or not?

If nothing to hide, a parent will allow them in, surely?

But seems there are huge caseloads.

Nice.

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you dole out your judgements.

Agreed. Thread reported.

You can blame him for his actions. But you can't blame him for hers. He didn't make her turn their home into a hovel. He didn't make her leave those little children home alone. Plenty of women get left with kids. Yet they somehow manage not to neglect them.

A shit mother is a shit mother regardless if the father is shit or not.

But in some places including where I live, you could ask this of your neighbours or friends or even just people you know from various settings including the local pub.
That's the whole village to raise a child thing.
I've babysat for children I barely know because the parents have just asked if anyone could help for a bit. Yeah it's not within a "safeguarding framework" officially but in real life you have some trust.
Yes I agree the father should have accountability for this tragedy.

I am. Arguing with people like you and the op make my teeth itch.

I also note, with interest, that you don't seem to care that you're clueless about this case. Telling...

Enjoy your witchhunt

This. The mother is a victim in this terrible tragedy too.

I read that, FFS!

And while her house was burning down, she lied to the fire service that her friend was in there, causing them to put their own lives at risk by going back into the burning building to find "Jade".

I imagine if he’d stepped up and had the children 50/50 she’d have been in a much better place.

She could hardly have been blocking him from contact since both him and his mother state they had gone to the house to find the boys alone and “mums gone to the pop shop”.

Feel free to report this thread.

It was started in good faith, but as some people have decided that I am a man hating racist it has been somewhat derailed.

I say again, my issue is that a woman with two sets of twins of 3 and 2 has been, rightly, convicted for leaving them home alone and they passed away as a result. But no one is questioning why their father is not also being charged with neglect.

Others have started threads about other children being left to die in this way and dont get the pile on, so I suspect my username is the trigger. Noted.

Oh Goodness- This case
Wasn’t it the one where faulty electrics from
Christmas Lights by the front door set light to everything ?

The mother had lied to firefighters a d police that a babysitter was in there - meaning firefighters went in to look for a non existent person.

So dangerous to lie.

The poor children were found under beds.

Ideally every family should have an escape from
fire planned-
Plus smoke and carbon monoxide alarms fitted.

She went to the supermarket, presumably to get food for her kids. She wasn’t going to
the pub.

The house was squalid, with the toilets and tub full of rubbish. Clearly her mental health was shot.

This doesn’t excuse leaving her kids alone but it does raise questions on why vulnerable kids are still slipping through the cracks. SS have started covering their arses:

‘Singh agreed but told jurors she believed her concerns had been dealt with by another social worker who had gone round later on the same day as her last visit in July 2021.’

My sons dad & I aren't together but you can be sure if he had any inkling anything like this was happening, never mind this absolute tragedy waiting to happen, he'd swoop in & rightly so, so the dad should absolutely be held accountable especially since they were actually in contact & he hadn't just disappeared into the night

As for the social workers? WTAF?? & It'll be all the usual "lessons will be learned" bullshit, makes me sick

Those poor little boys, what miserable little lives they had & the mother obviously needed massive support

She’s terribly neglectful.

Failed the children on so many levels including lying about having a babysitter on the premises so firefighters went in to search for a non existent person.

Those kids should have been removed from her “care” if there was human excrement everywhere.

The Mother should have allowed their Dad access.

All incredibly sad - mother primarily to blame because at the end of the day they were in her care- father to blame if he didn't push it with social services, social services also to blame if they didn't follow through on 'concerns'

No. your crass, baseless assertions are the trigger.

I, along with most i suspect have no clue what your username means. Nice deflection.

Now, I'm truly done with this turd of a thread.

I'd note that rather than the tosh you spouted.

What can he do beyond contacting social services about his concerns, which he did and his family did? Is he meant to march down there and take them by force? How many posts on here where someone shows concern about a child and everyone rushes to tell them to butt out and mind their own business. Really poor taste.

My daughter’s father would not step in if I was unable to care for her. There are men out there that sadly just don’t care about their children.

But no one is questioning why their father is not also being charged with neglect
I agree with you @PyongyangKipperbang
Im not trying to absolve the mother of responsibility for this horrifying tragedy but the fathers had abandoned these innocent children to thier fate. They left those boys, their own flesh & blood with a woman who was clearly in no way a fit parent.
We all know why, they didn't want their lives disrupted by the demands that come with being a parent, they skipped off & left all of it to the woman. The reason these male humans (I won't dignify them by referring to them as 'men') are not mentioned is that society implicitly accepts this behaviour from them😡

Crappy men who don’t pay for their children or nurture them exist across every race.

This is not a race issue, beyond that black
women are the most disenfranchised group in the UK.

No wonder their mother was struggling with her mental health trying to bring up 4 young boys by herself. We as a society need to stop normalising men leaving the mother of their children as "single mothers" and need to step up "co-parenting". Men need to accept their responsibilities as fathers instead of just moving on to their next family. It happens all the time and has to stop. This is a tragic case and I feel for all involved but these boys did not need to die.

Could he have applied for custody? I haven't seen the reports that said she cut him off. His grandmother read a statement in court saying that he saw them regularly and had a good relationship with them.

Is this a joke? She left three years olds alone in a house that was covered in dirt. Nobody should ever have to walk a mile in those shoes to realise that's totally unacceptable.