Ever met someone you later learned had done something really bad? **Content warning: thread contains mentions of child abuse**

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Just asking because a few months ago someone I worked with suddenly stopped coming to work... then we found out he had been found guilty of possessing child porn 😬
He hadn't been working with us for long so didn't know him that well but he just seemed like a nice, slightly boring middle aged man! I know you can't ever tell by looking at someone but it just made me think anyone I know could be doing anything behind closed doors.....

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A friends (now ex parter) is in prison for raping two different women just before he’d got with her. They separated and not long after we heard of the court case and conviction. She had no idea!

Horrible. It must have been a terrible shock, but was it out of character?

That's interesting, didn't know that. This was back in 2014.

Generally there’s a caveat of ‘except as unavoidable in the course of daily life’, which generally means in normal shops / public transport etc. They couldn’t go to a toy store but normal shops / restaurants / trains are allowed.

Thank you for saying this.
It's very helpful.

I just looked up Jason Warr and ended up watching a video of trial and error about the case! The evidence against him was very circumstantial. He was 17 not 18 - his gf was only 13 which is awful, but back then I remember having an attitude that it was cool to have an older boyfriend as boys my own age were so immature!

furthermore the ex wife was a suspect and later tried and acquitted for trying to get her son to kill him! She got a life insurance payout.

Not me personally but a colleague of mine had a strange person move in next door but 1. Police escort moving her in, curtains always closed. Walked the dog early hours of the morning.
It was Maxine Carr.

Bizarrely my friends and I have very little memory of it actually happening - I think the school did a great job of looking after people in that regard. My family left the UK not long after too.

As for out of character...we were all 14/15 years old, I don't think it's 'in character' for anyone of that age to do something so horrific. They weren't particularly bad kids from memory, there were certainly much worse at that school!

Really wicked, should throw away the key! didn't the school pick up on anything regarding these girls?

And some of them were never prosecuted, those monsters. They lived to their 90s, lots of them and they killed children like Anna Frank. 💔

A work colleague left and went to Asia contracting. He is now spending 6 years in prison over there for racially aggravated manslaughter.

Well haulage companies have offices.
The long distance lorry drivers had to collect their cash wages from somewhere.
So Peter Sutcliffe would be in the vicinity of an office regularly.
An opportunity for hanging around chatting after wage collection.

Even nowadays drivers and engineers have an office base that hands out the work.
Back in Peter Sutcliffe's day a lot of drivers worked for a company local to themself.

This would be an office with office staff and wages clerk.
Often women.

I don't think there was anything to pick up on, as far as anyone knew they were just normal kids.

One of them got out after about ten years, got a new identity and is seemingly reformed.

The other has been in and out of prison for a while. Kept failing drug tests and breaking licence conditions, IIRC. Was harassing the family if the woman she'd killed :-(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001vn46/storyville-revenge-our-dad-the-nazi-killer

Yes, and the Catholic Church was implicated in getting them out of Europe. South America was popular, as was Australia.

Many got away scot free. Some were traced by the authorities and by ordinary people. If you're interested, this documentary tells the story of one Jewish family and the secret activities of their father in this regard. Ordinary chap by all accounts. As this thread has proved, secret lives are lived all the time.

What a vile waste of air she is. Even as a 14 year old she looks like a sociopath. Why can't it be people like that who get terminal cancer or picked on by some random lunatic killer.

Oh no, and yes it's often music or sports teachers. My partners sax teacher got done for abusing under age choir boys. It's bloody frightening the amount of paedos mentioned on this thread. There's been two in my extended family, horrendous.

A few sadly.

When I was growing up I had down the road neighbours. Their son was in prison for murder. Don't know all the ins and outs.

Also when I was about 15. A boy I knew of about 10 was stabbed to death by another boy of similar age after a row.

Lad who lived over the road growing up, I'd been in his house a couple times. Got in with a drug crowd. Was forced to murder another chap over drug debt and bury him in the mountains. When the chap was eventually found and the investigation complete the fella was sent to prison. Still there as far as I know.

A cousin of a girl I grew up with. Seemed a sound enough chap. Always helpful and friendly. Went to prison for abusing his sister. He appears to have been released recently and moved back here.

Village priest. Sentenced for abusing an alter boy I knew growing up.

Thanks. I'm not interested in this case to look it up.
However, you've made a comment that was bothering me when the Yorkshire Ripper PP was being questioned.

Grave diggers have to get to their sites somehow. The tools aren't just waiting for them.
They must have paperwork to complete so must attend an office at some point. It wasn't like we're talking about the 1800's where the local priest had the tools on site in his shed.
Not like on TV where they just stand outside a church and dig a grave and have a cup of tea with their shovel struck into the ground.

What a stupid thing the other PP's are questioning the YP PP about - it's hardly like he preformed a miracle and produced gold from dirt that this is so unbelievable.

PS would have had a day to day life as well - dig graves, drive van, take tools, visit sites, visit office to complete paperwork, normal workplace gossip and hysteria due to the murders, giving lady lift as forced to by older man in charge - why is this so unbelievable!

I've met the Queen - not even ever going to bother to be post about it on here because everyone will say it's a lie and, I wasn't even bothered about meeting her. I'll wait to get on that show Would I lie To You with David Mitchell instead.

Oh my goodness, no way! I went to Uni in that very town and worked in that very pub as a student on folk night Thursdays (the CT) Your post gave me the shivers and I knew the older couple in question were so very sweet and kind and gentle. I’m not sure what kind of sentence N got either but I believe the death was extremely violent. Thursdays were never the same again, it was unspeakably sad.

Why did they kill her?
What was their link to her?

From the news reports I looked at earlier it looks as if they had run away from home and their victim had made the catastrophic decision to be nice to them and offer them a cup of tea in her home. I haven't seen any suggestion she was related to either of them or even known to them.

This is incorrect. The case was 2002, DBS checks didn’t start until 2012. The forerunner, the CBS was just starting to be rolled out late 1990s. The DBS, which records more information came about as a result of the Soham case. Huntley’s cautions we’re not recorded under CRB as these were not convictions

Poor old lady. Cool name as well Lily Lilley. RIP.

No good deed goes unpunished / never ever let anyone into your home not even a kid - that's the lesson here.

I worked somewhere where it transpired that the owner was part of an organised crime family in another country. The uncle was in prison for dismembering a girlfriend. When i was in the process of leaving i would feel very uncomfortable when the owner would fly in from X and have 1-1s with me

One of them had 'befriended' her and they were getting access to her house. IIRC she was quite lonely and vulnerable and they took advantage. They stole her pension etc and were inviting people over to the house for 'parties'.