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Ever met someone you later learned had done something really bad? **Content warning: thread contains mentions of child abuse**

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user2848502016 · 03/10/2024 20:19

Just asking because a few months ago someone I worked with suddenly stopped coming to work... then we found out he had been found guilty of possessing child porn 😬
He hadn't been working with us for long so didn't know him that well but he just seemed like a nice, slightly boring middle aged man! I know you can't ever tell by looking at someone but it just made me think anyone I know could be doing anything behind closed doors.....

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redtrain123 · 05/10/2024 07:40

CrowleyKitten · 04/10/2024 22:27

my mum was a community care worker, and one of her charges had left Germany after the war. everyone assumed she might be Jewish, but she told my mum she wasn't, and was actually in the Hitler Youth and everything. but, as she said, it was just the done thing. as normal as being in the guides or scouts. and that if you weren't involved, your family would be under suspicion.
she didn't hold any nazi beliefs herself, but her reasons for being part of the HL make perfect sense, really. and for most of the children involved it was focused on being healthy and capable citizens. she said she hardly tells anyone that, because she would be judged harshly for just doing what everyone did then.

I imagine that this was actually quite common.

Rosscameasdoody · 05/10/2024 07:57

Boobygravy · 03/10/2024 22:09

No. He probably saw her as ‘respectable.’
I think it affected her badly though psychologically when he was eventually caught.

I’d really like to know how he came to be driving a van home from an office when at the time of the murders he was working as a grave digger, and later on as a long distance lorry driver.

And what do you mean he saw her as respectable ? Or are you another who thinks he only murdered sex workers ? He was thought to have been responsible for as many as 35 murders, and at least seven serious assaults from as early as 1969, and of the 13 he was convicted of, only a handful of them were sex workers. In the unlikely event that this is true, l would think the reason this lady didn’t end up as a victim would be more likely to be because the trail of evidence would lead right back to him. He may have been a monster but he wasn’t stupid - he got away with his crimes for nearly 12 years.

SunQueen24 · 05/10/2024 08:05

Rosscameasdoody · 05/10/2024 07:57

I’d really like to know how he came to be driving a van home from an office when at the time of the murders he was working as a grave digger, and later on as a long distance lorry driver.

And what do you mean he saw her as respectable ? Or are you another who thinks he only murdered sex workers ? He was thought to have been responsible for as many as 35 murders, and at least seven serious assaults from as early as 1969, and of the 13 he was convicted of, only a handful of them were sex workers. In the unlikely event that this is true, l would think the reason this lady didn’t end up as a victim would be more likely to be because the trail of evidence would lead right back to him. He may have been a monster but he wasn’t stupid - he got away with his crimes for nearly 12 years.

The grave diggers I know are also maintenance men and drive vans of their equipment back and fourth to different locations?

Hoppinggreen · 05/10/2024 08:11

greenday16B · 04/10/2024 18:30

Of course she wasn't responsible directly. But the fact that she was a friendly TA in school may have convinced them all was well. They may have been slightly more wary of a man.

Dreadfully sad.

But she wasn't there so how wary the girls were of her is irrelevant.
She wasn't responsible directly or otherwise for what Huntley did, by the time she returned home they were dead and had been dumped.
Its absolutely awful and perhaps her providing the alibi slowed The Police down a bit but thats all

dairyfairy21 · 05/10/2024 08:35

Yes. A lovey elderly gentlemen age 70+ occasionally speaks to me on his dog walks.

Wouldn't assume anything else other than an old retired man.

Found out he was a big cocaine importer in the 70s. All on Google.

Done time in prison most of his life in multiple countries and killed people. 😳

Jack80 · 05/10/2024 08:41

A friend of my family didnt see wife and husband as regular anymore just out af different times at the bus stop. We found out he has been done for looking at indecent images and his wife tells most people he is dead. He seemed a really nice man.

Unicorntastic · 05/10/2024 08:45

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 04/10/2024 07:39

Likely not even true given one of the side effects of dementia is memory loss which can manifest in lies.

I know someone who kept telling his carers that he had abused his wife for decades and they should let him die. It was definitely not true and his wife was in hysterics every time he said it and it broke her heart.

Pretty poor to assume someone with dementia has any sort of capacity to know what happens 60+ years ago when lots of people with it can't even remember their own partner or wives name or to turn the oven off after they cook.

I’m not having a go but when I was a teenager i used to work in an old people’s home, many had dementia and they always lived in the past in their heads as though it had happened yesterday, they couldn’t remember what had happened an hour before though.

same as everyone else here it would seem, we employed a tradie who was hardworking and good at his job, we could tell he had likely been in trouble with police at some point in his life but to my horror, some months later I googled him in order to give someone his recommendation and I got his name wrong which bought up details of his conviction for child abuse images. It was definitely him as his photo was attached.

lololulu · 05/10/2024 09:16

@Pallisers

Such a weird take.

People calling out the term CP. Do you really presume we think the posters is saying the child consented. That's shocking!!

It's just an awful way to describe it that's all.

lololulu · 05/10/2024 09:18

@Pallisers

When does a child abuse picture become a porn picture - when the victim is 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? - oh 16 over the age of consent probably just porn.

  • Erm 18. What's going on in your head?
lololulu · 05/10/2024 09:25

@almondmilk123

There's no creeping around or unexplained lost time, I always know where he is and what he's doing. Check.

I have access to all his email addresses and passcodes to all his devices, have done since I can remember. Check.

  • I think you need your see someone about that.
ChishiyaBat · 05/10/2024 09:56

almondmilk123 · 05/10/2024 02:15

I like to hear that people pick up on it. It's chilling when you read about pepole who are married to paedophiles and say they saw no signs. If that's really true. then any of us could be married to paedophiles.

That's why it is so scary and a lot of people don't believe it. They simply can't compute that so many men are nonces and one of them may be related to them.

Mookie81 · 05/10/2024 09:57

ForGreyKoala · 03/10/2024 21:29

A young man shot a policeman in my town and badly injured him. Years later I read in the local paper that he had been released from prison a while ago and was back living in our town. I remember going right off and saying he shouldn't be allowed back here etc. A while later I discovered he was the lovely man living three doors down with his wife, the whole neighbour liked him. It taught me not to be so quick to judge people. Everyone deserves a second chance.

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OnGoldenPond · 05/10/2024 09:57

Given that he killed prostitutes, it's highly unlikely.

Actually several had no connection to sex work at all. Remember the Leeds University student Jacqueline Hill? With others the link to sex work is disputed. Sutcliffe just hated women generally and took the opportunity to attack women he thought didn't matter when he found them in a vulnerable situation.

Hoppinggreen · 05/10/2024 10:01

My Dad had a business contact in London who was a really lovely man. He and his wife couldn't have children so he always spoiled us when he visited, turned up to collect us from school in his Rolls Royce etc and slipped us cash when he left. My Mum was never keen on him and I didn't know why.
Turns out he was an enforcer for The Krays in the 60's - I know a lot of people claim this but I looked him up and it seems it was true.

MyOwnToes · 05/10/2024 10:03

OnGoldenPond · 05/10/2024 09:57

Given that he killed prostitutes, it's highly unlikely.

Actually several had no connection to sex work at all. Remember the Leeds University student Jacqueline Hill? With others the link to sex work is disputed. Sutcliffe just hated women generally and took the opportunity to attack women he thought didn't matter when he found them in a vulnerable situation.

This is really interesting given how people also talk inaccurately about Jack the Ripper’s victims as prostitutes. It’s a sort of weird othering, as if we can only deal with these crimes by thinking of them as happening to people not like us.

BodyKeepingScore · 05/10/2024 10:05

Mrsttcno1 · 03/10/2024 20:51

Yes and very similar situation to you OP. At my first job, had worked as part of a close knit team including a man for 2 years, would never have suspected anything untoward of him was lovely to everyone, had a wife and 2 young children, one day he didn’t turn up for work and police showed up at the office to search his desk & locker etc. He was found guilty of both making and possessing child pornography.

It's not child "pornography" it's recorded images of child rape.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 05/10/2024 10:08

About 5 or 6 years after we left school, my close school friend's dad was charged and imprisoned for videoing women in the toilets. He did this at work (he was a doctor, so this involved patients as well as colleagues), as well as at home, whenever they had guests over. For his female colleagues, who he recorded regularly, he kept a spreadsheet of when they were on their periods.

Unfortunately, I visited his house with a group of other girls several times since the police believe he began doing this, so I was almost certainly one of his victims.

He was always weird- very stern and mildly creepy- but I obviously didn't expect he was doing that for a large part of the time I knew him!

Because many of the recordings were of children (underage patients, children of patients and children at his parties at home), he was sent to a specialist prison on the Isle of Wight for sex offenders against children. In the transport van, he was handcuffed to none other than... Gary Glitter!

lololulu · 05/10/2024 10:19

@IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine

he was sent to a specialist prison on the Isle of Wight for sex offenders against children. In the transport van, he was handcuffed to none other than... Gary Glitter!

  • and you believe this?
IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 05/10/2024 10:28

lololulu · 05/10/2024 10:19

@IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine

he was sent to a specialist prison on the Isle of Wight for sex offenders against children. In the transport van, he was handcuffed to none other than... Gary Glitter!

  • and you believe this?

I agree this bit is quite farfetched! I have it about fourth-hand as well: my mum's friend was his receptionist, so as one of his main victims, was kept regularly informed by the police. She claims the police liaison told her this, she told my mum, my mum told me. But you're right, since I obviously wasn't there, it could be bollocks.

Ramblomatic · 05/10/2024 10:43

These two were in my class at school. When they were 14/14, they tortured and murdered an old lady, dragged her body around town in a wheelie bin and dumped her in a canal 😳

Both out of prison as of earlier this year.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/teen-killer-who-brutally-murdered-29064033

XelaM · 05/10/2024 10:48

Ramblomatic · 05/10/2024 10:43

These two were in my class at school. When they were 14/14, they tortured and murdered an old lady, dragged her body around town in a wheelie bin and dumped her in a canal 😳

Both out of prison as of earlier this year.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/teen-killer-who-brutally-murdered-29064033

Omg I saw a documentary about this and it's been in the news!!

Mirabai · 05/10/2024 10:51

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 05/10/2024 10:08

About 5 or 6 years after we left school, my close school friend's dad was charged and imprisoned for videoing women in the toilets. He did this at work (he was a doctor, so this involved patients as well as colleagues), as well as at home, whenever they had guests over. For his female colleagues, who he recorded regularly, he kept a spreadsheet of when they were on their periods.

Unfortunately, I visited his house with a group of other girls several times since the police believe he began doing this, so I was almost certainly one of his victims.

He was always weird- very stern and mildly creepy- but I obviously didn't expect he was doing that for a large part of the time I knew him!

Because many of the recordings were of children (underage patients, children of patients and children at his parties at home), he was sent to a specialist prison on the Isle of Wight for sex offenders against children. In the transport van, he was handcuffed to none other than... Gary Glitter!

That is so creepy.

BalmyLemons · 05/10/2024 11:01

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 05/10/2024 10:28

I agree this bit is quite farfetched! I have it about fourth-hand as well: my mum's friend was his receptionist, so as one of his main victims, was kept regularly informed by the police. She claims the police liaison told her this, she told my mum, my mum told me. But you're right, since I obviously wasn't there, it could be bollocks.

It's against regulations to handcuff a prisoner to another prisoner but I'm not sure how long that has been the case.

greenday16B · 05/10/2024 11:06

Hoppinggreen · 05/10/2024 08:11

But she wasn't there so how wary the girls were of her is irrelevant.
She wasn't responsible directly or otherwise for what Huntley did, by the time she returned home they were dead and had been dumped.
Its absolutely awful and perhaps her providing the alibi slowed The Police down a bit but thats all

I'm not attacking her. As somebody who was an educator, it interested me that she was a TA. I think children don't see past " Oh it's Miss A from school" That would have been on their minds. And they would have been interested in his pet dog.

Ramblomatic · 05/10/2024 11:09

XelaM · 05/10/2024 10:48

Omg I saw a documentary about this and it's been in the news!!

I had no idea there was a documentary!

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