Iran has launched missiles into Israel

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Sky News is reporting Iran has launched missiles into Israel. It's very scarey. It should never have got to this escalation. Awful.

The USA does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC (the court that tries war criminals) and refuses to allow any of its citizens to face charges from them.

That is why you will never ever see an internationally convicted American war criminal.

If Israel's neighbours were civilised, it would not have issues with it's neighbours.

(And Israel generally gets on fine these days with Egypt and Jordan.)

This is so upsetting. Naive and unrealistic but I wish it would just all stop and people could just live their lives.

Fuck off with that.

This isn’t about who is or isn’t civilised, because war isn’t civilised despite the fact we have a civilised war rule book that is often not followed.

This is all about claim to disputed territories.

And today they had few whatever Iran fired fall down on them as well.

So Israel will now destroy Iran, backed by US firepower, I’d say that’s pretty much certain now.

Where that leads is anyone’s guess but I think how Russia and China react will answer that.

Oh come on.

Russia won’t want to get dragged into this for a multitude of reasons, not least of which is fear of seriously pissing off Israel.

Israel is taking advantage of Iran supplying so many munitions to Russia, depleting it's own stocks and ability to attack/defend itself.
There will be a second, and possibly third wave of attacks by Iran, but they don't have the capability for a sustained assault.
The only real influence on Israel was the US, but Biden is outgoing, Trump is senile and desperate for attention, and Harris just wants to get over the line in November.
Benjy has, yet again, turned a crisis to his advantage.
He is the most narcissistic world leader currently in power.

Realistically the most Russia can do for Iran just now is give them a political high-five (and continue to spread propaganda).

Unfortunately it's not just about land. It's more existential than that alone. It's also about a philosophy that wants to rid the world of Jews and create a global caliphate.

All wars are about land. It is the fear of losing control over the physical space of land that creates wars. People with opposing ideologies can walk across land however far and if they are physically stronger can take lives and take land. In doing so they can control the land and the ideology. If land was infinite and we weren't stuck by gravity to a finite ball, ideologies wouldn't matter.

What philosophy is this? I don’t know of any “global caliphate” goal apart from Daesh/ISIS and they are murderously hostile to everyone of every other religion and of different Muslim beliefs from them, including secular Muslims.

Since most of the region has and is fighting against ISIS, I am unsure what philosophy you are referring to?

Could someone explain to me in simple terms how this would escalate into WW3? If it’s the middle east involved in the conflict, what does that have to do with us? Why would we get involved beyond the usual calls for peace and offering refuge for those escaping the violence? Why would it descend into WW3?

We all want to avoid war - or at least I hope we do. But a war against Iran seems inevitable. It is a profoundly obnoxious, dangerous regime. It’s not just Israel, the US and the UK that regard it with horror, so do all of its neighbours. Saudi and Pakistan in particular.

Of course Israel is the country most wary of the Iranian administration, because Iran’s policy is the destruction of Israel and the extermination of all Jews.

A nuclear Iran is unthinkable.

I see no way to avoid major conflict with, and regime change in, Iran, unless the change comes from within.

@Rummly I could not agree more. I think the notion of regime change is not going to be ignored now.

I am so sick of men making decisions and playing Billy BigBalls and turning the world to shit for women, children and animals.

I've never been to Israel or the middle east so wouldn't know how civilised they are whatever that means.

My son worked in the middle east for a couple of years. He knew a number of arabs who were wealthy. He asked once what would happen if their oil ran out. Their reply, we'd go back to living in tents. I thought that was an interesting attitude.

It won't.

Mumsnet is utterly obsessed with doom-mongering about WWIII. Every other day there is a thread by some near-hysterical OP convinced they are going to be incinerated in the middle of the night.

It's absolute nonsense.

I agree.

Nearly 50,000 people killed over 12 months in Gaza.

The most terrifying part is that when it suits, war crimes are allowed and the Geneva conventions can be overlooked.

Our governments have set a poor precedent if this does result in a wider war, by unconditionally supporting a rogue state and supplying their weapons and finance.

My thoughts exactly!

I'm just so fucking sick of all these power-crazed self-serving men - and it is mostly men - waging war with each other to assert their strength, meanwhile innocent civilians from all sides have to live with the horrific terror, loss and suffering that all of the senseless willy waving creates.

I am so very sorry for all of the civilians across the region who are feeling fearful tonight, and for all those with loved ones that are affected.

A nuclear Iran is unthinkable

Only to those who fear the West and Israel being unable to continue to act as they choose with complete impunity, with total disregard for human life, and International Law.

The idea that a nuclear capable Iran would immediately vaporise the Israeli state is complete and utter nonsense.

Firstly, it would result in an immediate and overwhelming retaliatory response that would turn Iran into a sheet of glass. We lived with nuclear capable superpowers at each others throats for decades and yet nobody ever launched a pre-emptive nuclear strike, and nobody questioned that MAD worked as a deterrent. The idea that Iran, and only Iran, would somehow be the exception and happily self-immolate isn't credible.