Sad our church turned its back on dd

[TeenLifeMum]

Dd has been to church all her life. At one point we moved to a different church that suited us more but we made lovely friends etc and dd was attending youth group until she was 15. Suddenly she was less keen but focusing on GCSEs so we didn’t push it. With clubs etc for the other dc, regular attendance dropped a bit but we were fairly relaxed.

I believe in god but have always had issues with “the church”, but put that aside to be with people of faith.

I recently learned why dd stopped going to youth - they did a full session on how they should pray for gay people in the hope of healing them. How they are so angry about people loving each other is beyond me.

dd is gay. Her girlfriend is loving, kind, polite, and caring. I want all my dc to have loving healthy relationships so have no issue and naively thought others wouldn’t care. Turns out they do. Two of her closest friends stepped away due to her being gay (parents we’d met through church) and now she understandably doesn’t want to go to church, and neither do I.

I’m angry. I hope they’re really proud of themselves from their high horses. On the off chance they’re on here - no, you’re not good Christians.

Thanks for humouring my rant.

"They close the sexual act to the gift of life."

As does using contraception. I have three children. Like millions of couples, we used contraception - Pill and vasectomy (later reversed) in our case, so that I didn't have to put my body through multiple pregnancies, and squeeze eight, nine or more children into our three bedroom semi. Guilty as charged. We're just as sinful as gay people, no more, no less. 🤷‍♀️

My Sister is a Born again Christian and her church not only offers to 'cure homosexuals" but doesn't believe in evolution! Needless to say these views plus her superior attitude have led me to go LC. I just can't deal with this at all.

This is why, after being raised in the CoE, that I struggle to have a faith. How can you be taught we are all created in gods image and he loves us all but then certain people are excluded from that for being gay. I hope your DD is ok OP, it’s shocking people can be so narrow minded.

Not the same obviously, but my dad was married prior to my mum and his ex was a cheat, yet despite this he was shunned from the Catholic Church for being divorced even though the divorce wasn’t caused by him! Just crazy, it’s like living in the 17th century

I was talking to someone about Catholicism. You only have sex for procreation and you can't use artificial contraception.

100% agree. I also think Christ would not on wanted refugees dying at sea. Being as he was a refugee too and surely its about saving lives, but millions of churchgoers are happy with turning away people in need.
The most sanctimonious, hypocritical bunch ever.
Move on and support your lovely sounding daughter. I am sure there are better churches out there

Religion has an awful lot to answer for. The gods these people supposedly worship, if they existed, would not endorse this bullshit. Not very Christian of them is it?

OP

The most judgemental, opinionated, bigoted and evil people sit on pews, mosques, temple and synagogues. Religion is the root of all evil.

Religious people believe a fairy story written thousands of years ago and believe what is written today it's scary.

Be cause in the west we are much more liberal then those that go to mosque i saw a video of Palestinian people being asked about how they feel about being supported by the lgbt and thet were disgusted by that . I fucking hate Islamic teachings about being gay to backwards on that issue to but churches should get with the times

I will also tell the Pope that not only is covering up the mass sexual abuse of children grave depravity but disallowing contraception helps spread HIV and perpetuates poverty. I'll also add that not allowing women to be church leaders is disgraceful as is their attitude to women.

Let me know if there's anything you'd like me to add for our next meeting.

Wtf does 'Godbreathed' mean? People wrote it. People.

Edited for typo

@Thunderpants88
yep there we are, the cherry pick argument.
yet funnily enough we don’t hear too much about Revelation 2:22-23 when Jesus talks about throwing Jezebel on a bed (referring to sexual assault?) and striking dead her children.
I would argue that fundamentalists do pick bits out too and although there are some parts that could be interpreted as referring to homosexuality (although the original Greek is not clear) it wasn’t painted as a massive issue in the bible, not proportionate to how it is seen today.

I know I will get hate flung at me but let me try to explain the Christian point of view about homosexuality. God has said that sex is only acceptable between a man and a woman, within marriage. That means that any sex outside that, so pre-marital sex, adultery, 'open' marriages, sex with animals and homosexual sex are all outside what God wants for us. He has been very clear about it. Since Jesus is God incarnate, He too has the same disposition.

It's not the same as saying a person who is born with homosexual feelings is any worse than any of the rest of us, we are ALL sinners and separated from God. A homosexual person should not be hated and reviled whatsoever, otherwise you would have to hate and revile a huge part of the population for their own sexual sins. Or indeed any sins! Christians are (or should be) taught to show compassion and love for everyone. Not just some people, but ALL people. However loving the person is not the same as loving their sins.

Practising homosexuality is continuing to sin in the eyes of God (as would be carrying on practising adultery, or continuing to have sex outside marriage).

I personally would not pray for someone to be 'healed' of homosexuality, I might instead pray for them to understand that homosexual sex is a sin in God's eyes, and for strength and guidance for them so they can resist this. You cannot expect a person to suddenly turn into a heterosexual, that would be unrealistic.

I have 2 Christian friends who are gay and they both live celibate lives. This is of course a difficult thing but the Holy Spirit can give you strength in order to do this. The Christian life isn't easy, nor is it meant to be. Christians need to help each other to bear their burdens, but at the same time we shouldn't just say 'society says it's OK to have gay sex (or be an adulterer, or have sex outside marriage) because it's the tolerant thing to do.'

I only know one vicar, he's openly gay and is C of E so it's not the whole institution- might just have been one person's beliefs, not the whole church.

That is absolute BS.

It’s absolute nonsense to accuse allies of trans people (I assume that’s what you mean by pro-trans people) of being homophobic. Don’t derail on an anti-trans tangent.

@CrunchyCarrot bingo the hate the sin love the sinner trope.
do you not see that praying for someone to understand that homosexual sex is a sin in Gods eyes is hugely offensive.

and I’m very sad for your celibate friends. How sad for them to live their lives without meaningful romantic connection and physical love. Based on literal interpretation of bible which is fraught with inconsistencies. See my comment above about revelation 2:22-23. How does that fit with your idea of Jesus?

A religion’s teachings are what they are. The tend not to change. 🤷‍♀️

I have not studied Revelation so cannot comment on it.

That’s not the only or whole Christian view.

What an absolute load of crap....................

Can you not see its the judgement and the fact that the church and you think that over 90% of the population are sinners and we need prayers. Most people are not married and have children to prove it.

A tolerant thing..... Fuck me

@CrunchyCarrot do you not think it would be wise to be familiar with the whole of scripture if you are basing such a lot of opinions and beliefs on it?
I am speaking as a former fundamentalist Christian btw and do get where you’re coming from but would urge you not to be afraid to read around the subject and explore both sides

I would love to be familiar with the whole of scripture but it's a lot - and my time is running out. I am certainly aiming to read and learn as much as I can.

She didn't start the organisation - she appropriated it for her own agenda.

The previous incarnation was a decent support charity whose talks/events on supporting children experiencing confusion and dysphoria was "accept" and allow time to discuss, not to "affirm" unquestioningly at the first hint. Their advice could be summed up as roll with it as far as practical and let them work out their real feelings. They also advised parents that in their experience at least 80% of the children they supported eventually settled into their own sex as gay individuals, some of them gender non conforming. Their talks often included young adults they had supported who settled as gay, straight, GNC and trans to illustrate the different experiences.

It was an entirely different beast from the mess it became later with shockingly bad safeguarding practices, non evidence based "advice", threatening language and dodgy staff/volunteers.

Homosexuality is a sin so of course they would turn their back on her. It’s a sin against the religion so they won’t condone it.

sad for her but it’s the way religion is. I’m a Christian and I don’t agree with it. I would never openly judge someone for their choices the same way I should not be judged for mine.

Christian church is a very broad spectrum by the way. Methodist churchgoer here (just happened to be the one my parents go to since I was little), and we voted for gay marriage and have gay members.

Unfortunately because of these select churches and their beliefs that some things are wrong, it is reflecting numbers 😪

John was described as the disciple ‘that Jesus loved’. I don’t know if that got mixed up in translation, but it’s grounds for believing that Jesus was gay, if you want to. Jesus didn’t say much about sexuality in the Bible, so all this ‘Christian’ homophobia was entirely made up.