Sad our church turned its back on dd

[TeenLifeMum]

Dd has been to church all her life. At one point we moved to a different church that suited us more but we made lovely friends etc and dd was attending youth group until she was 15. Suddenly she was less keen but focusing on GCSEs so we didn’t push it. With clubs etc for the other dc, regular attendance dropped a bit but we were fairly relaxed.

I believe in god but have always had issues with “the church”, but put that aside to be with people of faith.

I recently learned why dd stopped going to youth - they did a full session on how they should pray for gay people in the hope of healing them. How they are so angry about people loving each other is beyond me.

dd is gay. Her girlfriend is loving, kind, polite, and caring. I want all my dc to have loving healthy relationships so have no issue and naively thought others wouldn’t care. Turns out they do. Two of her closest friends stepped away due to her being gay (parents we’d met through church) and now she understandably doesn’t want to go to church, and neither do I.

I’m angry. I hope they’re really proud of themselves from their high horses. On the off chance they’re on here - no, you’re not good Christians.

Thanks for humouring my rant.

@Whoiam Your categorising same-sex attraction alongside adultery as sexual immorality is an interpretation, a way of picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you want to believe.

The first principle of theology is that our man-made language is insufficient to explain the vastness of God, so we are always going to be trying and failing to communicate their meaning.

And the first principle of Christianity is that man is fallible: only God is perfect. So you could trust St Paul’s motives while acknowledging that, as a man, he let a few of his own prejudices creep into his teaching. As a convert, he may have been particularly eager to reject ideas that he may have seen as Roman.

You can question the Bible without demolishing your whole faith.

There are some that claim to follow all of it to the letter. As a generalisation some of the more fundamental groups, US Mega Churches etc.

However they get themselves in knots because they don't keep slaves, stone those not observing the sabbath etc etc.

To follow all of the Bible to the letter is hard - with some bits telling you to kill your enemies, other bits telling to love your enemies.

Following the New Testament is easier, kinder and more logical.

The OT is harder going, written for different times - ie the dietary rules make sense for a hot place with no fridges.

@Whoiam I think has specified that they only follow the NT (see their post of 22.31 yesterday).

But even though in parts, the NT is kinder and easier to follow, if Whoiam’s position holds up (ie, they don’t follow it selectively, but do follow it all to the letter) even that is exceptionally hard because you have to deal with St Paul. I’m fascinated to know where Whoiam stands on that…

Please. No one believes that you resurrecting an old thread to post a faux-naive head tilty comment about "aren't they right to be honophobic though?"

Whoiam
However, if you believe that the Bible is not God-breathed and that it is merely a book written by humans, allowing you to pick and choose which parts to accept, then you have nothing to worry about, and my point would be settled.

In other words if we all behave exactly as you do, picking and choosing which parts of the Bible (even from NT only for these purposes) to accept.

You have a great deal to worry about. Matthew 7 v5

And you can take your hypocritical "love" emoji on my previous post and stuff it where the sun don't shine: love from a bigot I can well do without.

(It's funny how this thread dies, and is then revived by someone who wants to tell us all all over again that homosexuality is Evil cos it says so in their version of the Bible but has not bothered to READ THE FUCKING THREAD and so does not realise just how stupid their bigotry looks.)