Sad our church turned its back on dd

[TeenLifeMum]

Dd has been to church all her life. At one point we moved to a different church that suited us more but we made lovely friends etc and dd was attending youth group until she was 15. Suddenly she was less keen but focusing on GCSEs so we didn’t push it. With clubs etc for the other dc, regular attendance dropped a bit but we were fairly relaxed.

I believe in god but have always had issues with “the church”, but put that aside to be with people of faith.

I recently learned why dd stopped going to youth - they did a full session on how they should pray for gay people in the hope of healing them. How they are so angry about people loving each other is beyond me.

dd is gay. Her girlfriend is loving, kind, polite, and caring. I want all my dc to have loving healthy relationships so have no issue and naively thought others wouldn’t care. Turns out they do. Two of her closest friends stepped away due to her being gay (parents we’d met through church) and now she understandably doesn’t want to go to church, and neither do I.

I’m angry. I hope they’re really proud of themselves from their high horses. On the off chance they’re on here - no, you’re not good Christians.

Thanks for humouring my rant.

If they knew about her sexuality I'd be very tempted to complain to the diocesan safeguarding officer, hopefully you'll have a good one.

No time at the minute - I'll have to unpick that mess later!

You don't have to at all god doesn't exist that time Romans were fucking each one including men so yes they prob secretly was fucking it's a pathetic rule and if hell exists then it would be a great party where as all those fools that are high and mighty judging everyone else can stay in heaven where uts boring that ok for you

I have seen what religion does to families and how ut utterly destroys people so like I say community doesn't have to be found at church where they can be nasty about an innocent girl wanting g love

I was prayed for once because my husband is an atheist. I needed fishhooks to pull my eyes back into place, because I rolled them so far. My humanist DH is a better person than some clergy I've come across. DD is also gay, so I'm ticking a lot of Piss Off The Evangelist boxes. . . .

Many years ago, someone said to me that you could chuck the Bible in the bin as long as you retained one verse and lived by it. And that verse doesn't have "unless they are gay/atheist/of another faith at the end of it . . . .

Honestly, I look at the world, home and abroad, and completely understand why DH thinks religion is all bollocks and the cause of more grief than good.

Leviticus 18:22 is where they get it from I believe.

It's pathetic and one of the many reasons more and more people turn away from organised religion. Your DD is better off without them obviously - she doesn't need to be encouraged to self-loathe.
The idea that yes there is a god, and s/he made everyone in his/her own image - except the gays,gays are bad and sinful and more flawed than everyone else... just doesn't stand up.

This is really sad, but not untypical as far as my own experience goes. My very devout Dad was also turned away from his church in a time of real need. Such a shame that many Christian churches don't practice what Christ himself preached.

Why people subject their kids to this bullshit is beyond me

I’m Catholic, I suppose probably not a good enough one for many. However I bring my child up with the mantra that no matter what anyone is doing, if it doesn’t cause them harm, anyone else harm and makes them happy then each to their own. A friends mother stepped down from doing the Eucharist at church because her dd had came out as gay and of course she was supportive of her daughter. The priest didn’t remove her, she stepped down because of all the nasty horrible people who complained about it! Not very Christian.
Your daughter will never forget feeling so loved and supported by you she is a lucky girl.

@Frightfulmess678

You're cherry picking what you choose to believe. Catholicism sees homosexuality as a mortal sin. The Catechism is very clear:

...which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

You can't speak for the approximately 280m Catholics in Europe nor the millions worldwide. The Pope does and he believes that homosexual acts constitute grave depravity.

Scholars massively disagree on the translation of that passage from the original Hebrew. All politics aside, it condemns incestuous, same-sex rape.

Just so you know, Latter Day Saints are Christians.

I lost some 'friends' when I came out, and yes it hurt but luckily for me my loving, supportive family didn't care and that's what mattered.

The gay people I know who really struggle are the ones rejected by their families or a close family member - having someone unable to love you for just being yourself is the toughest. Your DD is lucky she has her family on her side against people who would try to make her feel anything less than she is

It's even harder when the CofE is officially anti-gay and pro-trans. Hey, it's almost like these are separate issues and lots of pro-trans people are massively homophobic and think lesbian girls like the OP's daughter should change sex and be straight boys!

If you join a cult you should expect some extreme and offensive opinions/ behaviour

I used to attend a church regularly and one of the many reasons I left was that they were anti-abortion, and seemed to hold the woman solely responsible - it takes 2 to tango!

But sadly religious doctrines are applied by people and people are flawed, just because they are misguided, doesn't mean the religion is - and this is why I no longer attend church. There are some amazing members of the congregation and then there are those that are on a power trip or misguided.

Being a decent person is all I ask of anyone...don't care what your sexual persuasion, colour, race, disability etc is......just be a decent human being and we will get on fine!

Protestants don't have a catechism, only the bible.

Is it honestly illegal in Catholicism to have oral/anal/handjob sex even within male/female marriage? Ie anything that can't lead to pregnancy?

What utter bullshit that you speak about if they are anti gay they are also anti trans to seriously

@poppyzbrite4 FYI I consider paedophilia and the cover-up thereof as "grave depravity". If you could please pass that onto the Pope.

LissaGa · Today 14:07

What religion is this? Jehovah? Latter Day Saints? No branch of the Christian faith would preach such things, surely”

Ha! Don’t you believe it!

THIS IS FOR THE OP & MAY BE OF INTEREST TO CHRISTIANS BUT NOBODY IS OBLIGED TO READ OR COMMENT.

Op, the Old Testament was God-breathed and written by people who lived by certain guidelines, many cultural. Much of the OT was written in story form, conveying a truth, eg Adam and Eve, the Tree of Knowledge and Good and Evil. The idea behind that was to foster respect and awe for God, and a degree of obedience. However there are not many left who believe in a literal Adam and Eve, or that the world was created in six days (some do).

In the NT St Paul, for example, was very much a man of his time and his aim was that no Christian could be accused of any scandal; at that time, the society mores did consider many things to be beyond the pale, homosexual relationships was one. However none of the people then knew what we know now, their science was not developed for a start.

Human life has evolved and there have been many surprises/revelations along the way. Most people no longer think as they did in Biblical times, even fifty years ago. A homosexual is not someone who has chosen a wrong path, he or she was born that way. In this day and age they are able to form solid relationships, which most want, without fear of ostracisation or, worse, imprisonment.

Outrages have been committed against people in the name of religion, all or most religions, not just Christianity, which are quite shameful. A loving God, personified in His son, Jesus, did not want that but we have free will and must work things out for ourselves. That takes time and there are casualties along the way. Homosexuality and/or homosexual practice is just one example, divorce is another, having a child out wedlock yet another.

We are fairer now, we see integrity in everyone and are aware that we all fall short of perfection. In the Western world we are fortunate but there will always be people, and groups, who home in on issues that don't align with their own prejudices; they often influence others who are not by nature prejudiced.

Many Anglican and Catholic churches are inclusive. They accept gay people and couples, however, though the clergy may embrace this, the hierarchy still bans marriage in church. Marriage in church isn't everything even for a Christian, a legal marriage is quite valid, so is a civil partnership, also a less formal commitment between two people.

God sees each of us as a whole person, not just our sexuality.

Sorry this is a bit long. I shall say no more.

Exactly. This is a fundamental teaching.
You don’t have to agree with it - and many don’t.

It’s like walking into a Vegan restaurant and ordering a beef burger.

And also - you wouldn’t walk into a mosque and expect them to be pro-LGBT

So why is there that expectation from churches?