Sad our church turned its back on dd

[TeenLifeMum]

Dd has been to church all her life. At one point we moved to a different church that suited us more but we made lovely friends etc and dd was attending youth group until she was 15. Suddenly she was less keen but focusing on GCSEs so we didn’t push it. With clubs etc for the other dc, regular attendance dropped a bit but we were fairly relaxed.

I believe in god but have always had issues with “the church”, but put that aside to be with people of faith.

I recently learned why dd stopped going to youth - they did a full session on how they should pray for gay people in the hope of healing them. How they are so angry about people loving each other is beyond me.

dd is gay. Her girlfriend is loving, kind, polite, and caring. I want all my dc to have loving healthy relationships so have no issue and naively thought others wouldn’t care. Turns out they do. Two of her closest friends stepped away due to her being gay (parents we’d met through church) and now she understandably doesn’t want to go to church, and neither do I.

I’m angry. I hope they’re really proud of themselves from their high horses. On the off chance they’re on here - no, you’re not good Christians.

Thanks for humouring my rant.

But you'd tell them they should be celibate. And before they're adults they're children. Children being told harmful homoohobic things by their parents.

Clearly, given the offensive things you're passing on to your children.

Well, it's all hypothetical since I don't have children and never will. So no lived experience of what I would or wouldn't do.

I think Family A should be able to teach their children interracial marriage is just as valid as same-race marriage.

I think Family B should be able to teach their children that their faith says XYZ about interracial marriage.

See how ridiculous that sounds?!

(Also, note how when describing Family B you didn't say "gay marriage is NOT as valid...". You're manipulating words so that you don't sound homophobic.)

I assumed we were talking about Christians (new covenant believers) that’s why I only referenced the New Testament.

So yes, my Bible has both.

Those are cults (as is seventh day adventist and scientology)

No different to any branch of Christianity in that respect then.

cult
/kʌlt/

noun

a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object._
"the cult of St Olaf"

Whether it's God or Jesus Christ you consider the "figure or object", presumably Christ given the name, the definition fits around Christianity just as snugly as it does any other.

I have just realised that the bible is completely silent on the subject of gay marriage, because there was never any question in pre-Christian Israel that two men could marry, and there hasn't been since Christ until 1963. So neither prohibiting nor condoning gay marriage has any biblical basis whatsoever.

There is also nothing in the bible about IVF...

Look at Greenbelt festival and take your child there, there is room in God's family for everyone, give her a wider view of grace and then find a local connection

Doesn't have a problem with lesbians either.

There is a misquote attributed to Queen Victoria, as the then head of the CofE, that women don't do that type of thing.

Edited to say: I can only conclude the poster quoting stuff about these subjects have a different version from the ones you and I have access to.

In your world Christians only believe in the New Testament?

I heard a great comment from a (female) vicar once in a sermon saying that the second largest queue in heaven, after the one to chat with Jesus, will be the one to speak to Paul and ask him (I paraphrase) WTF. 😊

“NOT as valid” is not what holy books would say…(the ones I’ve read anyway). They would say “sinful” and yes I didn’t want to re-iterate that.

The point of the post was - I believe Christian’s, Muslims etc should be able to practice their faith/beliefs - and share them with their family.

I obviously simplified the wording to make a clear point.

So, no , not ridiculous.

What kind of church is that?! That's nothing like any churches I've been to. Big hugs to your dd.

Not according to his Royal Popiness.

https://www.usccb.org/news/2023/pope-clarifies-remarks-about-homosexuality-and-sin

He's so ace.

I'm sorry OP, what a shock. My church is really loving and friendly and doesn't care who you love as long as you love. I encourage you all to do some investigation and find a much better church.

The Old Testament is of course important to Christianity.

But in regards to conduct - “In my world” emphasis is on the New Testament where we find the teachings of Jesus and the establishment of the church.

That's not how religion works.

Most Christians stick with the teaching of Jesus, and He never says a word about being gay. He speaks about love.

I think the answer is no but nothing dramatic, just stepped away from that group of friends. She’s still close with one but I gather the parents wouldn’t approve so I assume they’ve not been made aware.

Exactly this. I have a bible and the bits Jesus officially said are in a different colour. Absolutely nothing about homosexuality is mentioned. The rest was written by individuals with agendas that differed and have not travelled through time… like we don’t tend to stone people these days.

I went out with someone for a while whose (Christian) school had never used the OT in its instruction. He was entirely unfamiliar with it. I on the other hand being from a Quaker school could run rings round him in theological argument because the Society of Friends were not scared to instruct using pre-Christian stuff as well as not-necessarily-Christian, and had made me learn texts from all over the place, one each morning: OT, NT, speeches of Martin Luther King, Kahlil Gibran's The Prophet, Martin Niemöller, I think they didn't want to repeat themselves within seven years so that no child would learn the same text twice. I don't recall anything from the Koran; perhaps they held that it didn't count the same in translation.

Thank you for clearing that up. There's posters on here who would support their gay child but they have to be celibate apparently. It's a sin to be gay. Then the pope comes out with it's not a crime to be homosexual but sex before marriage is a sin. We are all god's children and who ever makes you happy and you can love and put up with them for the next 20 years or so go for it get married and be happy. Life's to short to worry about what others think be happy.

I was a Christian for years but was finally driven out by their behaviour. As a single mum through no fault of my own I was just not made welcome. The last straw was one Christmas, they all knew my DS and I were completely alone yet not one single person wished us a happy Christmas. I never went back. I'd been there for 5 years.
I eventually joined a section of the pagan community and found real family there. Everyone was welcome. I've been there now for 20 years.

If not ridiculous, then you hold the view that interracial marriage is wrong? So you are racist as well as homophobic?

Well I guess we parent differently. I interpret that to mean “in a loving and committed relationship” because sex is better within that situation (you connect on a didn’t level compared to a one night stand).

I hope my dc experience wonderful sex lives once they are adults in long term relationships. I don’t want any details but I hope for them it’s a good experience. I really think god has bigger issues to deal with than consenting adults arousing each other.

You’re just looking for a reaction.

Shall we leave it here?