Sad our church turned its back on dd

[TeenLifeMum]

Dd has been to church all her life. At one point we moved to a different church that suited us more but we made lovely friends etc and dd was attending youth group until she was 15. Suddenly she was less keen but focusing on GCSEs so we didn’t push it. With clubs etc for the other dc, regular attendance dropped a bit but we were fairly relaxed.

I believe in god but have always had issues with “the church”, but put that aside to be with people of faith.

I recently learned why dd stopped going to youth - they did a full session on how they should pray for gay people in the hope of healing them. How they are so angry about people loving each other is beyond me.

dd is gay. Her girlfriend is loving, kind, polite, and caring. I want all my dc to have loving healthy relationships so have no issue and naively thought others wouldn’t care. Turns out they do. Two of her closest friends stepped away due to her being gay (parents we’d met through church) and now she understandably doesn’t want to go to church, and neither do I.

I’m angry. I hope they’re really proud of themselves from their high horses. On the off chance they’re on here - no, you’re not good Christians.

Thanks for humouring my rant.

What she said is biblical, whether or not you agree with it.

The Gospel is fundamentally about grace, NOT tolerance. That's what liberal churches get so wrong. Jesus came to call us to repentance.

Differences between Mormons and Christians
No 2 is the most important.

• Mormons believe in additional scriptures beyond the Bible, such as the Book of Mormon, which they believe contains further revelations about Jesus Christ.
• Mormons do not believe that Jesus' work on the cross was sufficient for our salvation.
• Because they do not believe in the Trinity, Mormons do not believe that the Holy Spirit, God, and Jesus are one.

It’s becoming a far less prevalent school of thought, especially among younger RC people. I’m Catholic and don’t know anyone through my Church who believe homosexuality is a sin. The Pope also believes everyone should be entitled to family life and love and allows RC priests to bless same sex marriage on a case by case basis.

These are small minded people.
Jesus would never have turned away your daughter.
Search for a more loving and accepting congregation — they’re there.
And pray for the pitiful bigots.

Rather than looking at how Christians and Church leadership have adjusted their stance, you'd be better going back to the Bible and seeing for yourself exactly what it says on sexuality and marriage. Opinions and norms shift from generation to generation, but the Bible always stays the same.

Tbh I do think if you are a person with a normal modern life who goes to church - any church - you are going to hit something that shocks you in their theology. I find the current mess of Anglican theology on sexuality so offputting it is one of the many reasons I am an atheist - but that is because I do see that it is possible to interpret the Bible to say that same sex relationships can't ever not be sinful. I find that so laughably wrong that I conclude I'm not a Christian. The most successful (numbers, finances) Christian church in my city is headed by a man who has come out as gay and is celibate because he believes he cannot be in a relationship with God and have a loving sexual partnership wuth another man. I find that intensely sad, even more so for all the young people he has a theological influence on - like your dd.

There are mental shocks in Christianity and other religions that are positive - a way to turn against the smug consumerism and weighty corporate hand holding us down, to feel things that are real and look at your fellow humans as truly all children of God, in communion with each other. I think religion can be a positive influence, and anyone who thinks religion itself is responsible for the bad things humans do is a bit naive imo. But that doesn't mean your dd should ever go back to this particular church.

There's no such thing as 'the gay lifestyle'. It's not something you choose. Only ignorant and foolish people with narrow minds believe that it is.

The church praying for gay people is in no way discriminatory!

The church praying for gay people to be "cured" as if their sexuality is an illness is discriminatory.

Actually it only ‘stays the same’ if read in the original Greek or Hebrew (or in some places Aramaic). I’m going to hazard a guess though @sparklyfox that you read it in translation. By doing so, you are reading it through the translator’s eyes. You need to be conscious of that.

Proof texting is a dangerous business: the Bible in its time has been used by established religion to justify the transatlantic slave trade.

So agreeing to marry trans people but not gay people is somehow... Anti trans?

You are either deluded or living under a rock.

Opinions and norms shift from generation to generation, but the Bible always stays the same.

Which is why Christians around the world keep the Sabbath holy.

Um...

There are Christian denominations that will conduct gay marriages or at least bless them, and would be supportive of your daughter.

Oh I beg to differ.

So agreeing to marry trans people (including two males if one has a GRC) but not two gay people is... What exactly? Not homophobic? How do you work that out?

Spot on!

It seems unfair to ask the Church to keep changing its stance on things (sex, abortion, euthanasia) as society progresses. At the end of the day, what's in the Bible doesn't change.

The Bible was written by humans living in specific historical contexts and its understanding of the faith is filtered through that context. Which is why serious theologians starting more than a century ago began to turn to biblical hermeneutics to separate between the underlying message and historical contingencies. You won't get that in evangelicalism, mind you.

No - the pope allows blessings of individual people - not of the homosexual relationship. It’s quite an important distinction.

That’s so wrong & judgemental. They have shown their true colours I’m afraid.

As long as they remain celibate 🙄

Do you know what makes me laugh is exactly your mentality say in the USA these god fearing Christian’s love guns yet jesus says if someone hits you turn the other cheek and that in the new kingdom there will be no arms. So just as another poster has said u just bloody cherry pick.
jesus said it’s easier to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man into the kingdom of god so that being said why do the church and many so called Christian’s have shit loads of cash and don’t help others to. Then we have the right wing Christian’s that hate immigrants yet jesus would welcome them with welcome arms. Plus here’s the thing jesus never ever said in the bible anything about being homosexual other writers did yes but they said not to do other stuff that Christian’s do today

Well I’d argue the church should agree to marry gay couples as well. I’m not sure how that makes me homophobic?!

Religion unsurprisingly strikes again

If they agree to marry trans people they also will marry gay people in that particular church as if they don’t like gay people they won’t like trans people as another poster said you r talking utter bullshit about saying that they are anti gay but pro trans that’s not how anyone operates believe me if they hate gays they also hate trans people

Am so sorry for your dd, and so angry that this happened

Most CofE friends I know are openly very accepting of gay relationships so it is such a shame there are still people around condemning and being so unloving

I am a Christian and go to a Methodist church. They tend to be very accepting too and we voted for gay marriage to be allowed in church

God adores your dd for exactly who she is, nothing more, nothing less

If she still wants to be associated with true Christians who love and act like Jesus, I hope she can find a new accepting church