Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Would you agree that my father is mean?

107 replies

Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 11:21

You would think that I would perhaps be able to work this out myself but family life is complicated especially the deeper you ar in with situations and I honestly don't know if my father is being mean/mean spirited or not. My friend thinks he is.

Before I start, I will say this is not about me wanting any money off my parents (I know this is heavily frowned upon on MN!). Since leaving home 26 years ago I have never asked for a penny from my parents nor have I been given any.

Up until 6 or so years ago my parents were living a pretty good life. They have never had any money worries and imo have lived a comfortable and fairly stress free, easy life. My parents are now in their early 80's and my dad has enjoyed good health and apart from needing a pacemaker and suffering from osteoporosis, so too had my mum. Dad would spend his week on the golf course or touring around in his classic motorbike, mum did some charity work in a local shop and at the weekends they were always out with friends. I live around the corner and would visit them a couple of times a week, often going out with my mum and my dc when they were young (my dc are their only gc).

However, in 2018 everything changed. My mum was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. She then developed glaucoma and cataracts and this year she has received a breast cancer diagnosis.

Since the dementia diagnosis and seeing dad struggling with mum's health needs (he is not a natural born carer) I started to help out more and more and before you know it I am going round 4-5 times a week, helping with all of their life admin, financial stuff, organising all of mum's medications and many hospital appointments (which I always attend with them) and health administration, helping with changing beds, doing their washing, taking mum to her day centre twice a week and making mum a packed lunch for both of those days too (all from my own pocket).

I don't earn a lot as I only work part time due to health issues. Money is often tight and my dad is fully aware of this.

I do all of these things to help because I know my dad struggles with mum's diagnosis and he feels the disease has also taken his life away, I know he is suffering also and it breaks me to see my parents like this. I do these things to repay my mum back for being such a lovely mum.

But I suppose the bugbear is that my parents have a lot of money (well in my opinion anyhow). Hundreds of thousands invested (from inheritance from my grandparents), £50k sits in a current account, £15k in another and they live in a very large house worth over £600k (which is now too big for them and beoming a noose around my father's neck as it is 100 years old). Dad is very hesitant to spend any of their money as I know he is worried there won't be enough to over mum's care home needs when she has to go into care, I understand his worries. They currently have a carer in for an hour Mon-Fri to help mum shower (it took me two years to persuade dad to agree to this). A hairdresser comes once a week to wash mum's hair and she attends the two afternoon sessions at the day centre per week and that's enough, dad will not pay out for anything else. My sister does their cleaning once a week/fortnight or whenever she can do it.

For our 'wages' as my dad calls it ,he gives my sister and I £40 per month each. When I told my friend this she was taken aback, she thinks this is very mean. The money helps me alot but I suppose with the amount of phone calls I make for them, the driving my mum to her day centre and paying for her packed lunch it probably covers that and leaves me with not much more!

He isn't very generous, I must admit but is this mean?

OP posts:
rubyslippers · 23/09/2024 11:24

It is mean
and it is mean that you are running around like this and he acknowledges that through a minuscule payment
your mum should be having better and more regular care
the whole point of saving for old age is to use it!!

SylviaStrong · 23/09/2024 11:30

Does your mum get Attendance Allowance ? This is not means tested and does not impact taxable income and sounds like your mum would get the high rate which may help toward any costs.

Do you have POA set up ?

my parents are in the same position so I can’t be of much help but it is very tough.

thinkfast · 23/09/2024 11:33

Has your dad perhaps lost touch with how much things cost nowadays?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Notinmylifethyme · 23/09/2024 11:51

You seem to be well versed on your parents assets. How much money do you think he should give you?

TemuSpecialBuy · 23/09/2024 11:55

Incredibly mean.

if nothing else give him a shopping list for your mothers lunches and have him make them.

the lunches are probably £40 never mind the petrol, your time your headspace and everything else

BellesAndGraces · 23/09/2024 11:56

Notinmylifethyme · 23/09/2024 11:51

You seem to be well versed on your parents assets. How much money do you think he should give you?

@Armyofprawns I would just ignore nasty responses like this one.

I think your DF is being mean. Does your sister feel the same way? If she does, perhaps you can both raise it with him as there is strength in numbers.

It also sounds like he could be paying for more care for your DM which could potentially delay the need for a move to a care home later on. Can you have a conversation with him about your DM’s needs?

Chewbecca · 23/09/2024 11:57

Dad is very hesitant to spend any of their money as I know he is worried there won't be enough to over mum's care home needs when she has to go into care

So you know exactly why he doesn't want to spend it. £60k in the bank really isn't much.

Your Dad probably assumes you are helping simply because you want to help your mother. That's the reason most people help their families in need.

If your wages aren't enough, you could consider cutting down the amount of caring you are doing and use that time / effort for paid employment. Tell your Dad this is what you need to do.

SauviGone · 23/09/2024 12:03

Yes it’s extremely mean.

I think you’ve posted about your parents and the situation before, and have been told repeatedly that you’re being used for free/cheap care.

While you continue stepping up and allowing him to take the piss, your father will continue to take advantage of you.

Notinmylifethyme · 23/09/2024 12:07

BellesAndGraces · 23/09/2024 11:56

@Armyofprawns I would just ignore nasty responses like this one.

I think your DF is being mean. Does your sister feel the same way? If she does, perhaps you can both raise it with him as there is strength in numbers.

It also sounds like he could be paying for more care for your DM which could potentially delay the need for a move to a care home later on. Can you have a conversation with him about your DM’s needs?

Not at all nasty

I'm currently caring for my parents, while working, and I don't expect a penny.

But others do.

So, it's a valid question. If the Op is disappointed with 40 quid, how much would she like?

Ra1ndr0psFalling841 · 23/09/2024 12:08

Your parents should both apply for attendance allowance separately. It is not means tested.

If you work part time, you can apply for carers allowance. However, there is a maximum amount that you can earn per week. This is means tested.

Musicaltheatremum · 23/09/2024 12:16

I think your parent's generation worries about money. I know my dad does.

Attendance allowance and a cleaner would be useful for him too but obviously you need to work on that. He could also make a packed lunch.
Actually £65k is not a lot of money for care homes and as he has the house they couldn't use this. Downsizing is such an effort for the elderly and would likely confuse your mum.

Interestingly my dad now 92 and widowed was horrified when he went to a community group at the men who had their children doing everything for them. Also those that wouldn't go out without their families.

My dad cooks for himself and does his own washing and has a cleaner for the rest and jumps on and off buses. All partly as I'm 2.5 hours away and my brother 6 hours.

It's a tough time for you

SauviGone · 23/09/2024 12:19

The OP’s parents don’t just have 65k in savings and their house.

Hundreds of thousands invested (from inheritance from my grandparents)

Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:20

SylviaStrong · 23/09/2024 11:30

Does your mum get Attendance Allowance ? This is not means tested and does not impact taxable income and sounds like your mum would get the high rate which may help toward any costs.

Do you have POA set up ?

my parents are in the same position so I can’t be of much help but it is very tough.

Mum gets AA, it pays for her twice weekly day centre visit and the morning carer.
Dad has POA.

OP posts:
Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:22

Notinmylifethyme · 23/09/2024 11:51

You seem to be well versed on your parents assets. How much money do you think he should give you?

I hadn't given it any thought tbh. Since my friend has told me she thinks it's mean if my dad, it's given me food for thought, hence my asking on here, I was wondering what others thought of the situation.

OP posts:
Happiestwhen · 23/09/2024 12:23

Notinmylifethyme · 23/09/2024 12:07

Not at all nasty

I'm currently caring for my parents, while working, and I don't expect a penny.

But others do.

So, it's a valid question. If the Op is disappointed with 40 quid, how much would she like?

Come on £40 pm!!! That's a tenner a week and doesn't cover the cost of the lunches never mind diesel. And if he employed a carer to do all of this and a cleaner you'd be talking a few K per month!!

NewGreenDuck · 23/09/2024 12:24

Yes, it is mean. I'm sorry OP but he has enough money to pay for a daily cleaner, a daily carer and anything else that would make life easier. A gardener? If the house is too much for him to deal with then he could probably move to a smaller one so that would help you. I think many older people just think that it's frivolous to spend money on such things. My 90 year old MIL has only just got a tumble dryer, for goodness sake! I mean she was struggling to get washing on the line, didn't really get how useful they are. Now she knows.

Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:24

BellesAndGraces · 23/09/2024 11:56

@Armyofprawns I would just ignore nasty responses like this one.

I think your DF is being mean. Does your sister feel the same way? If she does, perhaps you can both raise it with him as there is strength in numbers.

It also sounds like he could be paying for more care for your DM which could potentially delay the need for a move to a care home later on. Can you have a conversation with him about your DM’s needs?

Thank you.

My sister hasn't mentioned it really but then I do more of the lions share as she works longer hours than I do.

We have spoken to dad but he wants to do everything on his terms and in his time.

OP posts:
Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:26

Chewbecca · 23/09/2024 11:57

Dad is very hesitant to spend any of their money as I know he is worried there won't be enough to over mum's care home needs when she has to go into care

So you know exactly why he doesn't want to spend it. £60k in the bank really isn't much.

Your Dad probably assumes you are helping simply because you want to help your mother. That's the reason most people help their families in need.

If your wages aren't enough, you could consider cutting down the amount of caring you are doing and use that time / effort for paid employment. Tell your Dad this is what you need to do.

He has £400k invested. The £60k is the amount he has in current accounts.

I only work part time because I have health issues.

OP posts:
Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:28

SauviGone · 23/09/2024 12:03

Yes it’s extremely mean.

I think you’ve posted about your parents and the situation before, and have been told repeatedly that you’re being used for free/cheap care.

While you continue stepping up and allowing him to take the piss, your father will continue to take advantage of you.

No, I've not posted about this before.

OP posts:
Coruscations · 23/09/2024 12:28

I think it's very mean. Give him details of pay rates for people employed by home care organisations and suggest you get the same, plus expenses. Trust me, they still won't be that generous, but they'll be a lot more than £40 a month for the care you are giving.

Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:29

Ra1ndr0psFalling841 · 23/09/2024 12:08

Your parents should both apply for attendance allowance separately. It is not means tested.

If you work part time, you can apply for carers allowance. However, there is a maximum amount that you can earn per week. This is means tested.

I did try to apply for carers allowance but I take home a little over the threshold so sadly don't qualify.

OP posts:
NCagainandagainandagain · 23/09/2024 12:31

Notinmylifethyme · 23/09/2024 11:51

You seem to be well versed on your parents assets. How much money do you think he should give you?

Sarcastic and unnecessary comment!

SauviGone · 23/09/2024 12:32

Armyofprawns · 23/09/2024 12:28

No, I've not posted about this before.

Ok, then there is another poster being mugged off, even to the point of making mums packed lunches at her own cost twice a week for her afternoons at a day centre, identical situation to you.

Your dad is taking the piss. He’s as tight as a ducks arse.

Swipe left for the next trending thread