Thread 8 Starmer : Cat fur on new clothes

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Sky News

Former deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden has become the most senior ally of Rishi Sunak's to be interviewed in the official investigation into betting on the date of the general election.

Lots of slavering on MN too!

It’ll die down. It’s a handful of posters all egging one another on.

Sunak's Tory farewell speech:

"We reduced absolute poverty. We reduced child poverty. We reduced pensioner poverty".

Children in poverty in 2010: 3.6m
Children in poverty in 2024: 4.3m

Pensioners in poverty in 2010: 1.6m
Pensioners in poverty in 2024: 2.1m

That'll come down to if Labour succeed in making peoples lives better, if they don't, then people will not turn to the Tories for answers.

Pity Labour ever let Duffield back in.

Yes but Rosie has been slavered over by the hard core GC posters for years.

They’ve slavered over Badenoch too - I wonder what they’ll make of her view that maternity pay is excessive.

Badenoch herself is backtracking already

They'll deflect it by criticising Starmer. It's already happening.

In my opinion, and all those I talk to, it's far to early to make a judgement about this government.

Yes Starmer accepted gifts from donors, which was stupid and shows an astounding lack of awareness, but

Labour are showing no signs of siphoning money off to their mates
They have not thrown billions away on vanity projects
They have not caused more money to be spent on temporary staff covering strikes than paying staff properly would cost.
They have not made the UK a laughing stock amongst world leaders and caused unnecessary issues with a badly handled brexit

I could go on with this list. Anyone, especially people who should know better like political journalists who are insisting that the government is hated before the government has had the opportunity to shape the future and their plans, is quite frankly making themselves look extremely stupid and an irrelevance.

Let me guess misrepresented?

Fact remains that in the context of complaining about the Government regulations and tax she said maternity pay is excessive (it's really not). And that "People need to have more personal responsibility. There was a time when there was no maternity pay and women had more babies."

No reference to the cost of living.

It disappears when mention of her being the great "knows what a woman" hope is made.

Although rather unsportingly one or two posters have questioned that based on evidence.

The whole thing is a circus freakshow anyway. Whoever "wins" will immediately have to face the real loony tunes. The ones who make St. Kemi look like Francis of Assisi.

Yes but he's said it - so it must be true 🙄

Sad thing is they spout this clap trap because people believe them 🙄🙄

Yeah she knows what a woman is alright.

If her speech earlier is any indication she's made it clear she thinks they should be baby farming non drains on tax payers.

What an absolute twat of a woman she is.

Has she not noticed that families with children on 2 wages rely on universal credit. How does she think families can survive on 1 wage and bring more children into the world.

Especially with the 2 child benefit cap they brought in. Why bring it in if you want woman reproducing at a greater level?

The idiocy is beyond the realms or normalacy.

Is it just me or does anyone find Badenoch unpleasant? I watched what she said about maternity pay, then I watched what she said in her backtrack. I just find her bordering on rude and slightly aggressive..
She was caught out with her views and tried to blame it on the interviewer, saying 'I will not be misrepresented'.

She said the words! Maternity pay has gone too far. And maternity pay is an 'excessive' function of tax. And we need to take 'more personal responsibility'.and businesses are closing because of this burden that has gone too far.
What's misrepresenting about that?!

She’s deeply unpleasant. One of her former cabinet colleagues apparently said she can start an argument in an empty room.

I don't understand how she has got as far as she has. She has no redeeming qualities.

I never feel all that comfortable about this as 'aggression' is an accusation levelled a lot against women in positions of power and POC in general. What I do think is it is astonishing how not very bright some of these highly educated politicians are - but I think they often move in very narrow and elite circles.

She was definitley playing to a certain New Right gallery. I'm not sure why she climbed down : she definitely believes what she said and this isn't a GE campaign (thank God!). I think the perceived aggression is probably her irritation at having to backtrack - presumably because a PR team told her to.

Her rant in the HoC a few months ago was obviously her beginning to show her true colours. She seems to be one of those people we thought were bad but ........ that's them trying to be nice!

She’s always like it. I’ve seen her do it time and time again in the chamber, at select committee and in interviews. She’s not so much aggressive as arrogant, patronising and abrasive. She has an innate talent for putting people’s backs up - not desirable when success in a job depends on leading a cohesive team and influencing opinion at home and abroad. I think she’s cooked her goose this weekend anyway.

"I think she’s cooked her goose this weekend anyway."

She's not interested in gaining votes from the broader populace. She's interested in votes from Conservative members.
So the same sort of reasoning that Sunak was happy to tell Tunbridge Wells he had diverted funds from deprived urban areas to areas "like this". And Truss told them she'd reverse tax rises without explaining what she'd cut to pay for it (cancer treatment).

That said I assume Conservative members have daughters and sons that will want to have children and a job and appreciate maternity legislation.

They can't all be married to investment bankers!

Perhaps I was wrong using the words 'slightly aggressive'. I suppose what it is... I cannot find any warmth in her. I never see anything likeable.

Didn't she tell the speaker how to do his job ?

Pissing myself at the contortions in FWR to explain this away. Better than any thread I could have started.

Badenoch was trying to make the case against regulation.

Her go-to regulation to attack was maternity rights.

Of all the regulation/legislation we have (and I am sure there is unnecessary legislation out there) she selected maternity as excessive and unfair.

Honestly my mind boggles that she ever thought this was a good answer to that question.

There is always the tweet (or other SM post as it was on facebook as well)