Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

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Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards?

**edited for spelling

I read a thread when the queen died where someone asked that - why is everyone upset and reminiscing when she did that and the poster was told any parent would do the same.

The victim I can’t speak for but off the top of my head one reason could be she was worried about public abuse/harassment, wanted to protect her mental health, assumed he wouldn’t be punished and thought the money could help her eg move away/get counselling

I’ve heard the “any parent would do the same” argument however I have yet to meet someone who admits that is what they are would do. Especially when the son in question is as old as Andrew. But fair enough.

He slept with someone over the age of consent. It's utterly grim that he did that at the age that he did. But not illegal, just gross.

Virginia took the payoff. Which says a lot with regards to what she wanted from going public.

The Queen shouldn't have made the payoff imo. But I understand why she did. I'm not a royalist.

I'm not sure everyone loved the queen. I didn't.

I didn't respect her enabling and support of Prince Andrew.

I didn't respect her enabling and support of Prince Charles. She supported him marring a naive girl she knew he didn't love, just to get heirs. Then, when Charles cheated on Diana, (as everyone knew he was doing even during their engagement and beyond) and they were divorced, she stripped Diana of her HRH title.

Horrible treatment, and of the mother her future heir(s).

Exes mother supports him through child abuse and rape allegations she opens her home pays for his solicitor harassing his victims.....

Agreed.

Anyway, why should one mistake stop you from liking someone?

Jesus, you would think the Queen had done it the way you go on. I like how women always seem to have to take the blame for mens mistakes.

We didn’t all love the Queen. The media loved the Queen. Anyone who objected to her (think of her funeral) was literally arrested and removed from sight. We don’t all love the Royal Family. The media and the USA does.

Virginia took the payoff. Which says a lot with regards to what she wanted from going public

Well what other option did she have? There was never going to be a criminal prosecution of Andrew himself. One of the people who trafficked and pimped her is dead, the other rotting in prison.

She at least exposed the vile creep for the what he is.

When were these people arrested? I saw many anti- royalist during funeral, coronation etc.

Personally think it's very poor taste at a funeral.

This.

@MindfulAndDemure He slept with someone over the age of consent. It's utterly grim that he did that at the age that he did. But not illegal, just gross.

Giuffre was a victim of sex trafficking, which is illegal and why Epstein was convicted and sent to prison. In 'Prince' Andrew's case it was just a civil suit to seek damages for his actions in the context of Epstein's sex trafficking.

‘Everyone’ certainly did not and does not ‘love’ the late Queen.

If you look at the many threads from the time, you’ll see many posters (incl me) saying that she had lost standing in their eyes because of her indulgent enabling of Andrew.

He had sex with a trafficked teenager. Age of consent is immaterial. I imagine she settled due to pressure and stress, under advice from her legal representative.

She could have seen it through to the legal conclusion. Whatever that may have been.

The VG timeliness confuses me, on one hand info says she was only 15 when she met PA, then it says she was 17 and working as a 'masseuse' and this is how GM met her?

I thought she was seventeen? Isn’t the American age of consent 18?

I totally agree that her parents, Epstein & Maxwell should have received full penalties for trafficking.

I will say I didn’t agree with the guy who shouted at Andrew during the queens funeral.

@MindfulAndDemure Virginia took the payoff. Which says a lot with regards to what she wanted from going public.

Horrible to victim blame Virginia. I say hurrah she got him / the queen to fork out and moreover expose him.

why is there always one who tries to make an issue out of the sexes- completely irrelevant to the question

it would be JUST as bad IMO as if a king paid off his daughters victims if she was sexually abusing someone

a mistake is giving someone Diet Coke instead of regular. She paid off a victim that her son abused.

In civil cases, there is an imperative to be 'reasonable' and to settle before trial. A claimant will be regarded as unreasonable if they refuse to settle and insist on going to trial, - and this will not be advantageous to the claimant's claim.

Edit: unless there is a really good reason not to settle before trial - and in this case, with an offer to settle of millions, there was no good reason. It's also why Andrew settled, to avoid a trial where the detail of what he'd done would've been exposed.

She was 17 and trafficked. I agree with you op.

Did the queen pay her directly? And how much?

while I agree with what you said about prince charles and diana somewhat, it’s not on the same level as paying off a girl who her son sexually abused

I am aware - this works well when the claimant is seeking damages. In this case, I would have thought that the claimant would prefer a verdict over damages. Apparently not.

I’m not sure of the legalities of age of consent in regard to his victim, in America it’s 18, so one would assume she was deemed underage unless I’m mistaken.