Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

[Lovefromjuliaxo]

Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards?

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I didn't love the queen. I respected her work ethic but IMO her upbringing had left her with very warped priorities. As the pay off shows.

Probably because he knows it's disgusting to sleep with a teenager at his age.

You really really don't understand if that is what you think.

I can tell you from the POV of 17 yo me.

I hadn't a fucking clue what was happening. I was being given booze and cocaine and dad was being 'nice' to me (parents never married, I'd never lived with him, this was the first time he'd 'taken an interest', after I was 17 and living alone).

So, yeah, dad age 40 knew very well that it wasn't appropriate or legal, but he didn't give a fuck.

I imagine Andrew had exactly the same attitude, with a 17 yo girl presented to him by his rich US pal, with a nod and a wink.

I assume because he thought he was more believable than she was and it would go away quicker than saying ‘yeah, I shagged a masseuse who is only a few years older than my daughters’.

And then was stuck with that lie.

You've made about twenty five posts on this thread running to the defence of Prince Andrew, purely because he thundered out of a royal cock.

By "a whole world of learning", I assume you mean hagiographic nonsense like The Crown. No-one who has seriously studied history could buy into the Royal mythos.

I'm so, so sorry for 17 year old you, and what you went through. I hope your dad is in prison.

He's dead and unmourned.

Be sorry for Virginia, too.

Let's hope that Hell exists.

Extinction is far better. Christianity is crap.

I am only here to say 'hear Virginia'. She was abused. She was really really young. Yes, she's lucky she got a pay off from the queen of england. I'd take such a pay off any day, happily.

What exactly do I really really not understand? What happened to you is obviously horrific, but it's not relevant; if you were 25 and your father 40, it still would've been absolutely horrific as he was your father. Obviously he should therefore have known it was wrong. I don't believe there is any accusation of Andrew being related to Virginia, or of there being anything inappropriate with his daughters? He was a man who'd had women hurling themselves at him his whole life, I suspect he didn't think much about what he was doing and just assumed it was yet another eager notch on his bedpost - though I also suspect that if he had been aware she was being coerced, he may well not have been unduly concerned. I think he's a pig, but without further evidence his behaviour appears to be legal. Unpleasant as we may find them, icky age gaps are not forbidden.

I am sorry for Virginia. I just think that blame ought to be appropriately placed.

Virginia Giufre was trafficked into the UK to have sex when she was a US minor.

Saying it was legal is a gross simplification.

And why shouldn’t she hit the fucker and his defendants where it hurts i.e. their pockets?

There is a reason financial penalties are imposed on individuals and businesses, it’s because it hurts them.

Fuck for money all you want, just don't act like a crusader about it.

I have yet to see any evidence that Andrew was aware that she was trafficked

So this depends on the utterly risible suggestion that none of Epstein and Maxwell's friends and acquaintances knew what they were about, despite several people saying in the time since that is was common knowledge and precisely why they were popping up here, there, and everywhere. It also implies that Andrew didn't think it at all weird that there was a foreign teenager in their presence who just happened to be sexually willing and available to middle-aged men, and on top of that, Andrew, by his own admission, continued to freely associate with Epstein even after Epstein was convicted of offences and this was in public domain.

He was at that mews flat for one reason only. He knew Epstein and Maxwell had brought a victim with them.

If you think 'The Crown' is a documentary then you are to be pitied. Don't make me laugh!!

Actually I have studied history seriously and there is a huge amount of Royal history out there which has always fascinated me since I was young, and not only the British Royal Family. You see, I prefer to make judgements from a place of knowledge, not ignorance.

If you think I have defended Andrew, you are deluded. All I have "defended" is the information that is in the public domain, not the information you think should be there.

Thanks for counting my posts; glad you have so much time on your hands.

The age of consent in the United States varies by state and territory, and is generally between 16 and 18 years old:

16 years old: The age of consent in about 30 states

17 years old: The age of consent in a few states, including New York

18 years old: The age of consent in about 11 states

So you may be right but it's not universal

My dad went after many teen girls, not just me - I was only one of many, and not specially singled out.

I think any decent man aged 41 (Andrew's age in 2001), presented with a 17 year old girl - on a plate - would know it wouldn't be right to fuck her, however willing she seemed.

Nice. Virginia Giufre was from a troubled home, and was molested from the age of 7 by a family friend.

She was then groomed by Ghislaine Maxwell for Jeffrey Epstein as a teen.

Your choice of words is pretty crass.

With Andrew and the Queen’s paying her £9m, Ghislaine in jail and Jeffrey dead, I hope she’s found some peace.

So, who? Tell us who's to blame.

As I recall it. The dates she claims this happened was in the UK where the age of consent is 16. The fact she is American doesn't mean that the American law follows her here. She was above the legal age for the UK.

As for why did he claim he didn't know her. I suspect because he didn't. Like others have mentioned Randy Andy wad his nickname and I suspect he had a lot of notches on his bedpost. She was not memorable for him.

I don't personally believe Andrew had any clue she was trafficked I think his ego is that big he thought she was Impressed by a prince.

Still makes his morals ick... that level of age gap should have made him go nope..

I do believe she was trafficked. I just don't think it ever occurred to Andrew that happened.

The royal family is so dysfunctional, if they were an ordinary family, social services would have been on their case. The way the Queen brought up her children, going off on tour & leaving them for 6 months & only seeing them for an hour a day when she was at home. The way Diana was treated, she was only 19 & forced to move to Buckingham Palace the moment the engagement was announced, a marriage that was arranged just to give Charles an heir, to a vulnerable young woman. It's no wonder that she suffered with her mental health, there was no love involved, just wanting an heir producing, Charles treated her badly from day one, Camilla was always in the background, the messages & gifts prove that. The whole family wanted someone they could mould into a puppet who would turn out dressed up & waving whenever they wanted her to but didn't care what damage they did to her in the meantime, it's no wonder she turned to other men for love & affection. Charles & Diana were leading separate lives from not long after Harry was born, him at Highgrove, her at Kensington Palace, they should have divorced then, but the Queen forced them to stay together for the sake of the crown, at least Fergie got out as soon as she could. The whole family are blind to the real world, they think everyone loves them, but they don't. Giving a £45 million payrise to the king when the country is broke is disgusting, the inheritance tax that should have been paid when the Queen died would have gone a long way to filling the £22 billion black hole that is going to force the country into austerity. You can bet none of them knows how much a loaf of bread or a pint of milk costs.

You English people amuse me

HER PARENTS. EPSTEIN & MAXWELL. Does caps help with comprehension? I've said it many times.