I think we can sum up yesterday’s discussion with:
Male people can be women because they want to be.
The world knows that they are not really women, but they must be able to act as if they are. A huge inconsistency.
Gender dysphoria is still being used as the leverage to emotionally manipulate others to allow male people to access female single sex spaces. Even though it is acknowledged that gender dysphoria is very rare and transgender people have been very vocal about how they should not be considered medical problems.
Language is not important when the people who wish to be seen as kind give away the words others need for laws and policies. But it is ok, as long as that person gets to still feel kind. Just another inconsistency.
Males who go through extreme body modifications earn the right to be considered women and society should give those male people extra rights to make sure their needs are met. Because they are different to all other male people who lose their penises and testicles due to disease and injury because they believe they are women, even though the world understands they are not women.
Those rare male people who have their penises removed are being used to also describe the wider group of male people with transgender identities, like those with gender dysphoria, even though they too are very rare.
Because society needs to believe that all males with transgender identities have gender dysphoria and have had brutal extreme body modifications when these groups are, in fact, rare and not the majority. Just another inconsistency. Just like some posters making such declarations also make judgements about the passing ability of male people and still consider that they are kind and well mannered.
Plus, female people can’t tell who is a male in any case because apparently we have all been sharing toilets with them for decades and never known! So again, another logical inconsistency… such a rare group but we all have used toilets with them for decades.
And of course, here is another big logic inconsistency. Some male people are so vulnerable in the male toilets and will be attacked so they must use the female toilets. But the female toilets are not safe either because men who want to attack will come in without any need to declare they are female….
So therefore we let attacking male people follow their male targets into the female toilets adding even more risk to female people. In fact, one could argue that letting these male targets for attack into the female toilets makes the female toilets even more attractive to those attacking male people! Such rich pickings of both sexes in one toilet block!
And that society should just ignore this rampant and overwhelming male on male violence issues by letting any vulnerable male into the female toilets. Rather than dealing with the source of attack directly - by campaigning to make male toilets safer.
Then there was the racism.
The coherency of the arguments we have seen on this thread has been lacking, I think.