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If you voted Labour in July, have you changed your mind?

191 replies

notgettinganyyounger · 08/09/2024 17:29

Are you happy with the changes so far, and still backing Starmer?

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afrikat · 08/09/2024 19:17

I'm happy. They weren't going to fix everything overnight and there were always going to be some hard choices. They are being clear about the challenges and I find Keir refreshingly open and honest in interviews. Very little waffling/political non answers

caringcarer · 08/09/2024 19:17

Thatmissingsock · 08/09/2024 18:51

But did you actually need it??

You say you are nowhere near getting it so presumably have a reasonable income.

Do you think should just give out free money that people don't need just to make them feel a bit more like they are getting something when other people are 🙄🤔

I don't get child benefit. I used to, then they decided to means test it. And you know what? Im ok with that, because i can honestly say that while the little extra was nice, i didnt truly need it. Im not struggling to feed/clothe my kids without it.

There isn't enough money, and not enough people are net contributers, for the government to chuck money at people just so they feel a bit better!!!

£11,500 is a very low base though to stop people getting the fuel allowance. I agree with means testing it but £11500 is just too low. Those on PC will now be better off than those on just a full state pension and no private top-up. That can't be right.

Parrotseatthemall · 08/09/2024 19:17

It's all swings and roundabouts..we need to wait a bit longer to judge if it's more fair for us and everyone we care about..as opposed to those we don't (the truth of the matter)

2kah · 08/09/2024 19:18

Birdscratch · 08/09/2024 17:36

Where have all the doom mongers gone? Back to ToryHQ every one …

This sort of comment is so silly.

Everyone who doesn't love the Labour party is called Tory HQ.

No discussion of any facts or opinions, just a cheap and meaningless insult.

I wonder if this type of comment could be considered trolling.

AuntieJoyce · 08/09/2024 19:18

Parrotseatthemall · 08/09/2024 18:16

We don't know what other 'positive' stuff is in the pipeline for pensioners yet. At the moment the thought of needing to go into hospital scares me more than buying a heated blanket

I doubt very much there’s anything positive. It’ll be a higher than average state pension increase next April based on the September numbers, so why did they not wait and announce that at the same time? Or better still just think through what they were doing before they did it and have a higher cut off for the WFA. Honestly shoot yourself in the foot time and smacks of political idealism from Reeves

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:18

otnot · 08/09/2024 19:08

The Tories really needed to go so there wasn't much choice but to go for Labour. But they are so far a lot worse than I feared. I'm disgusted that they're cutting fuel payments whilst they still enjoy pretty much unlimited expenses to run two houses, plus discounted bars and restaurants etc - they certainly no longer have any right whatsoever to call the Conservatives the nasty party.

There's so many disasters already but I'm most horrified by they apparent lack of any sort of business acumen; an a-level business studies student could explain to them why some of their touted policies are going to hinder growth... most of it's just common sense and basic maths. I was really hopeful when they kept banging on about the importance of growth but they seem far more interested in getting 'their base' all excited by being mean to evil rich people, whether that is actually going to help the country or not. They've come into government at a perfect time, though they're trying desperately to pretend otherwise. And of course they just sound utterly incompetent when they say they didn't realise billions were missing from the economy - did they think we were housing asylum seekers for free?! They should've noticed, and even if they didn't have the precise figures, they should've been able to get to a close estimate. Then they include tax cuts the Tories offered and didn't budget for - again, they presumably heard the announcement too, they should have included it in their figures, even if the Tories didn't.

The economy is finally growing (not by much, but quicker than other comparable economies), investors are getting worried about the situations in the US, Germany, France etc and they're ready and willing to invest in a sensible, secure economy. But Starmer's decided to scare them off with stupid, ill thought out employment laws that will put companies off recruiting anyone, and tax plans which will cost most than they'll save and drive may wealth creators to take their money elsewhere. But hey, people will no economic understanding whatsoever will cheer happily cos the evil rich the will finally pay, so it's definitely worth it. Even though the top 10% are already paying over 60% of all income tax. But obviously that's still not enough - bleed them dry, and if they and their companies fuck off we'll just find some reason to somehow blame the Tories when we slide into bankruptcy. Well done. I really, really wish we taught basic economics at school.

Interesting you feel you know so much about economics. I’d suggest that the employment laws proposed will be reversing precarious employment such as zero hours which really only suited the employer (how can you budget for your monthly costs not knowing what your income will be?)

It’s been proven that putting additional cash into the hands of lower earners stimulates the economy. If the economy is stimulated by more spending than employers will require more employees. They’ll be able to do so on a fairer basis with better employment laws.

Your insistence that our previous, Conservative approach was better makes me wonder if you still agree with the discredited economic philosophy of wealth trickling down. If this worked we’d be seeing far more disposable cash in our pockets as opposed to the bank accounts of the super rich, who have seen their share of wealth increase dramatically during the last decade, whilst the working class and middle classes have seen stagnating wages and decreased spending ability.

You’re thinking like a frustrated billionaire, I will never understand people on ‘normal’ incomes trying their best to make us try to protect the interests of the super rich.

tunainatin · 08/09/2024 19:19

Happy with the approach and the fact that our current pm is not a showman

Getmeahobnobstat · 08/09/2024 19:20

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:08

I’m not in government so have no answer to where. How about these people get processed faster so they can either go about their lives like anyone else in the UK or get sent back if asylum is denied? The immigration system under the Tories was underfunded and I think purposefully slow, encouraging hatred of immigrants was one of their top selling points. We need more investment to speed it up, then you’d need a lot less accommodation.

Labour have already said that to process people faster, they will have to grant an amnesty to most. And the success rate of being able to stay in the UK following asylum application is high. Especially if you factor in appeals as well.

Which leaves these people needing homes and jobs. But mostly homes, because in all honesty many of the people coming are not skilled and will struggle to get well enough paid jobs, particularly if there are language barriers.

And if we can’t use the facilities we have been using, then that leaves one option, council housing. Of which we do not have enough.

See what annoyed me about your post was the implication that concerns about immigration were based on ethnicity and race. I come from a very diverse background and my family are not all white. I don’t care what colour skin a person has, but I do have legitimate concerns about immigration.

And by taking away the only (albeit not brilliant) deterrent, KS has sent out an invitation. The situation is going to get really bad. It’s not going to improve under Labour. We need a deterrent and soon. If not least to try to prevent deaths in the channel.

Tiredalwaystired · 08/09/2024 19:26

Mintypig · 08/09/2024 19:10

The public sector pay rise is part of the black hole - it added 9 billion to the already huge black hole

Some of that will go straight back in taxes.

The alternative was to alllow strikes to continue at an even higher cost and for even more staff to walk away from the NHS making it even harder to get an appointment.

Damned if they did and danmed if they didn’t.

Tallerandtall · 08/09/2024 19:27

@notgettinganyyounger

FFS it’s a five year term.
and if they had any sense they would do all the shitty and hard stuff now.

if the hope the benefits come in year 4/5.

people want everything in this country but how and where do we get the money .

every thing needs to change

considering the tories burnt this land with brexit and greed and unethical behaviours it seriously would he extremely hard to be worse.

and so forth.

PullTheBricksDown · 08/09/2024 19:29

Yes happy. They've barely got started. I'm still relieved and grateful to be rid of the last shower. Don't regret my vote at all.

MtClair · 08/09/2024 19:30

Clearinguptheclutter · 08/09/2024 18:00

No regrets

I did think it was a bit 🤔 when they declared a £22bn finance black hole and how difficult it was to fix that but in the same breath give public sector workers a whopping pay rise which cost about half an much again. I do think the public sector guys deserve a pay rise but so do we (private sector,
no pay rise for 2 and a half years and no union either)

The government can’t really impose a pay rise for the private sector.
And public sector got the wages frozen since the tories came in power when private was still increasing….

Cheesecakecookie · 08/09/2024 19:31

I actually spoilt my ballot as I didn’t feel I could fully support any party. But had I had to pick one (very glad we don’t force that) it probably would have been labour.

Currently I think it’s too soon to say - not to mention it will take years to put right what is broken given how bad things are. And this won’t be easy. Anyone who thought otherwise was deluded.

I imagine it will be a painful few years at the very least before things improve.

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:33

Getmeahobnobstat · 08/09/2024 19:20

Labour have already said that to process people faster, they will have to grant an amnesty to most. And the success rate of being able to stay in the UK following asylum application is high. Especially if you factor in appeals as well.

Which leaves these people needing homes and jobs. But mostly homes, because in all honesty many of the people coming are not skilled and will struggle to get well enough paid jobs, particularly if there are language barriers.

And if we can’t use the facilities we have been using, then that leaves one option, council housing. Of which we do not have enough.

See what annoyed me about your post was the implication that concerns about immigration were based on ethnicity and race. I come from a very diverse background and my family are not all white. I don’t care what colour skin a person has, but I do have legitimate concerns about immigration.

And by taking away the only (albeit not brilliant) deterrent, KS has sent out an invitation. The situation is going to get really bad. It’s not going to improve under Labour. We need a deterrent and soon. If not least to try to prevent deaths in the channel.

I studied history at degree level and to a point our history is the history of migration, it’s what the human race does. If I’m honest I don’t think there’s a way of preventing it, other than targeting the boat trafficking gangs which they are doing. Especially with our colonial past, our language is one of the most widely spoken and people will come here for that reason.

Of course we’re also ignoring that there are many other countries that take their fair share too and there’s no reason why we shouldn’t, we aren’t exceptional.

Thatcher sold off huge amounts of council housing and this needs to be sorted out.

My Mum worked quite closely with many immigrant families, one thing they all had in common was a desire to work very hard and build up money and property, and one by one they all did. All whilst paying tax and contributing to this country.

Immigration was not stopped by the Rwanda scheme or the likes of the Bibby Stockholm, I live in Kent and the small boats kept coming right through the period of Tory power.

Parrotseatthemall · 08/09/2024 19:35

Tallerandtall · 08/09/2024 19:27

@notgettinganyyounger

FFS it’s a five year term.
and if they had any sense they would do all the shitty and hard stuff now.

if the hope the benefits come in year 4/5.

people want everything in this country but how and where do we get the money .

every thing needs to change

considering the tories burnt this land with brexit and greed and unethical behaviours it seriously would he extremely hard to be worse.

and so forth.

Everything comes at a price. For some that price is Life or death or perhaps a chance of hope, for others it's a ticket at an overpriced concert while needing to look at a TV screen to see what's happening on a stage. Making a mountain out of a molehill and dividing us is what pays our media these days

Perplexed20 · 08/09/2024 19:36

Labour has so far completed 5% of their total term of office.

I think its very unreasonable to expect them to do magic.
On the upside they haven't done a Truss.

Getmeahobnobstat · 08/09/2024 19:40

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:33

I studied history at degree level and to a point our history is the history of migration, it’s what the human race does. If I’m honest I don’t think there’s a way of preventing it, other than targeting the boat trafficking gangs which they are doing. Especially with our colonial past, our language is one of the most widely spoken and people will come here for that reason.

Of course we’re also ignoring that there are many other countries that take their fair share too and there’s no reason why we shouldn’t, we aren’t exceptional.

Thatcher sold off huge amounts of council housing and this needs to be sorted out.

My Mum worked quite closely with many immigrant families, one thing they all had in common was a desire to work very hard and build up money and property, and one by one they all did. All whilst paying tax and contributing to this country.

Immigration was not stopped by the Rwanda scheme or the likes of the Bibby Stockholm, I live in Kent and the small boats kept coming right through the period of Tory power.

I don’t really care about history, or what the Tory’s did 40 years ago. I care about now.

and I care about this ridiculous Tories Bad, Labour Good mentality, based off legitimate immigration concerns, which are ignored by the left and viewed as racism as a lazy way to ignore a growing issue.

Getmeahobnobstat · 08/09/2024 19:42

Perplexed20 · 08/09/2024 19:36

Labour has so far completed 5% of their total term of office.

I think its very unreasonable to expect them to do magic.
On the upside they haven't done a Truss.

Didn’t the BoE just admit inflation was their fault?

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:43

Getmeahobnobstat · 08/09/2024 19:40

I don’t really care about history, or what the Tory’s did 40 years ago. I care about now.

and I care about this ridiculous Tories Bad, Labour Good mentality, based off legitimate immigration concerns, which are ignored by the left and viewed as racism as a lazy way to ignore a growing issue.

We tend to repeat the same mistakes so history is incredibly pertinent to coming up with solutions to today’s problems.

Immigration concerns wouldn’t be an issue if everyone didn’t feel so squeezed at the moment. Fix the economy, fix the immigration issue.

Efacsen · 08/09/2024 19:43

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:33

I studied history at degree level and to a point our history is the history of migration, it’s what the human race does. If I’m honest I don’t think there’s a way of preventing it, other than targeting the boat trafficking gangs which they are doing. Especially with our colonial past, our language is one of the most widely spoken and people will come here for that reason.

Of course we’re also ignoring that there are many other countries that take their fair share too and there’s no reason why we shouldn’t, we aren’t exceptional.

Thatcher sold off huge amounts of council housing and this needs to be sorted out.

My Mum worked quite closely with many immigrant families, one thing they all had in common was a desire to work very hard and build up money and property, and one by one they all did. All whilst paying tax and contributing to this country.

Immigration was not stopped by the Rwanda scheme or the likes of the Bibby Stockholm, I live in Kent and the small boats kept coming right through the period of Tory power.

Small boat crossings appear to me to be more weather dependent than anything else - figures are down over the last 12 months and it's been a pretty windy year

Also a south coast dweller

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/09/2024 19:45

Perplexed20 · 08/09/2024 19:36

Labour has so far completed 5% of their total term of office.

I think its very unreasonable to expect them to do magic.
On the upside they haven't done a Truss.

Especially since a lot of that was in recess due to the timing of rishi calling the election.

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:47

Efacsen · 08/09/2024 19:43

Small boat crossings appear to me to be more weather dependent than anything else - figures are down over the last 12 months and it's been a pretty windy year

Also a south coast dweller

I visited Deal recently on a beautiful day, France looked so close and the sea so still you can absolutely see why they do it.

TheOGCCL · 08/09/2024 19:51

I think they just care a bit more about building a sustainable society.

Getmeahobnobstat · 08/09/2024 19:54

bozzabollix · 08/09/2024 19:43

We tend to repeat the same mistakes so history is incredibly pertinent to coming up with solutions to today’s problems.

Immigration concerns wouldn’t be an issue if everyone didn’t feel so squeezed at the moment. Fix the economy, fix the immigration issue.

I would feel completely reassured if Labour were talking about prosperity rather than pain ahead.

SpongeBabeSquarePants · 08/09/2024 19:57

Happy. They're a breath of fresh air compared to the Tory toxic mess we had