Single men buying babies

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This is really really worrying.
Surrogacy is becoming more acceptable as a way to procure children. Of course it would end up being taken to its worst conclusion.
This is in the US, but will happen everywhere.
The vetting process will be minimal compared to the profits that will be made.
The results will be potentially devastating and horrifying for these innocent newborns.

I just did a Google search of the image and it doesn't say he is a single man on the initial Facebook page used. But he and his possible wife did use a surrogate.

The website is called "egg donor miracles" and it's based in Mexico.

But OP, completely unsuitable people produce children every day. No-one decides who can or cannot have a baby. There is no vetting process. So how is this any different.

Anyone who uses a surrogate has gone to considerable effort and expense to 'procure' their child. Plenty of others produce a baby as a side effect of a drunken one night stand.

As long as all babies are registered with the authorities and are on the radar, logically they are equally protected.

My parents were totally unsuitable and had five dcs. I was probably 'unsuitable'. I had no experience, had never changed a nappy. My ex had no intention of ever changing a nappy although he omitted to mention that at the time. And yet DS is much !oved, secure, happy, and well cared for, the best thing in my life.

I know Mumsnet is very anti-surrogacy and I have read all the arguments for and against. I am not anti-surrogacy provided it is done with respect for all involved.

But - yes, it does raise alarm bells for me when single men have children through surrogacy. Or adoption for that matter. But I don’t know what the solution is. It would be discriminatory not to allow them the same rights as couples or single women.

It is utterly grim and I will never be convinced otherwise.

My job involves dealing with the repercussions of bad parenting/abuse etc.

When they start vetting straight people before they procreate, I'll start caring about this.

I see it as human trafficking and hate surrogacy .
Unless its done between family and/or good friends there is usually an inbalance of power/money

Someone is renting the womb of a poor woman for the express purpose of removing that baby at birth. That's pretty much the definition of 'unethical', regardless of how well or badly the purchasers then parent that baby.

provided it is done with respect for all involved kind of impossible to show respect to the child who is ripped from its mother for the wants of the adults around them.

You know, we let puppies stay with their mothers for what eight or ten weeks. We recognise how vital it is that they do so. And yet, so many of these selfish entitled man are happy to walk away with a newborn. It is revolting and I cannot countenance how anyone can regard it as progress.

A child shouldn’t be produced in the full knowledge they are going to be removed from their birth mother. You are treating them as a commodity

This happens daily. People are creating baby after baby only to have them removed and put into the system. Even purely from a data point of view, that is a problem that needs tackling with much more immediacy than Graham using a surrogate for a baby he actually wants and intends to raise.

Both issues are a problem.

Dangerous parents having unwanted children who are then removed AND
people buying a baby - viewing the child and its 'incubator mother' as services and product.

It's not either or, I can have a problem with both - and I do.

I will never support anything other than altruistic surrogacy where no money changes hands (not even expenses) and even then I'm not that keen

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Our childrens birth mother intentionally does this on a fairly regular basis.

Buying babies is wrong, regardless of the suitability of the adult. Children are not commodities.

But they're not doing it for financial gain! They're doing it because they live chaotic lives in dysfunctional, often deprived circumstances. And there's absolutely no correlation between birth parents whose children are taken from them by the state because they can't look after them adequately and the surrogacy industry.

Yes people, as in there is a mother involved. A child has a much better chance of being protected from predators (like single men buying babies) if their mother is in their life!

@Simonjt and that isn’t good either.

What a disturbing pov.

You should be honest with your girlfriend that you only see her as an object to allow you to "get kids" and have zero interest in her as a human being and let her get the hell away from you. Also, I hope you never have any input into the raising of children, you have a very strange outlook on life. Normal men who treat women as actual people get attention and dates btw. Yuck.

User49 this is very very disturbing- you basically see women as a means to a child - it’s one of the worst things I have ever read on Mumsnet’

No much difference to women who only want a man so they have a baby daddy