Single men buying babies

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This is really really worrying.
Surrogacy is becoming more acceptable as a way to procure children. Of course it would end up being taken to its worst conclusion.
This is in the US, but will happen everywhere.
The vetting process will be minimal compared to the profits that will be made.
The results will be potentially devastating and horrifying for these innocent newborns.

I can think of two US men who used surrogacy.
They are possessed of a vast amount of common decency, intelligence and warmth and charmth.
Their children are virtually guaranteed to grow up in loving, stable homes.
I don’t think any child could ask for more than that.

Although at the same time if I found out that I was infertile or lost my bollocks in an accident then id rope because life isnt worth living if I dont have kids. I would have no drive or motivation

I'm sorry but I genuinely think you would be an extremely poor parent.

Is that you, David? It is, isn’t it.

I’d recognize that dull, detached, sociopathic language anywhere.

Absolutely with you there. Women are not just receptacles for other people’s babies.

Their children are denied a mother, on purpose.

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And the children of single women and lesbian couples using donated sperm are denied a father, on purpose.

Separating an infant from his or her mother who carried her is totally different from just not knowing a father, psychologically and developmentally. It's a false modern idea that each parent matters equally to an infant. I'm not implying there is no effect from denying a child a father but it's demonstrably different from the effect on attachment severance to a birth mother.

No it’s not. At what age does it become trafficking then? 6 months? A year?

Incel hour in full swing. Your poor girlfriend.

You know 2 single men who have used surrogates? On their own? That’s…..,weird.

Some men get a kick out of taking children from women. They couldn’t care less about the needs of the child.

Why would men, who hate women and feel no connection to them, who also has no children, be on Mumsnet?…

Thats disturbing. Glad he was caught

Ah I see. I wasn't clear when you said "it", whether you were talking about commercial surrogacy or just surrogacy in general.

Also re your other point; the person who carried thr baby does gave a legal claim to the child, regardless of if its her egg or not.

But, you sound just like the type of man to buy a baby! Would you then see it as 'Money Well Spent'? Instead of years spending your money on someone else? No, you could go straight to a baby, cutting the expensive GF out and cutting out all those costly dates that you can't be bothered with. Who needs a woman eh?

My job too. This is a false argument though. Of course some people become parents and neglect and abuse their children. (This is rare though, the vast majority of people are “good enough parents” and even those who are neglectful usually love their child.)

Pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding creates a powerful biological stimulus and bond with the baby. It’s not an inert process a women’s brain actually changes to be aligned to care for her baby. The baby bonds to its mother from before birth and is soothed by her presence and smell. To biological fathers this happens to a degree as well, their love for the child’s mother and recognition of their own qualities in the child are a powerful stimulus to care and protect.

it may not be fashionable but it’s how the human race has survived for thousands of years. Without those protections, yes some children will be fine but for some who knows. Predators will use every excuse we know this. You’d be foolish to imagine there won’t be paedophiles out there looking to buy a baby. Surrogacy should be banned worldwide.

I wonder how @User49 would feel if his GF said she wanted to find a well off bloke to house her and her baby? Without all the dating crap that goes with it? A bit used maybe?

You do know that sex after childbirth won't happen straight away? Could be very few and far between in the next 2 or more years. Would that be OK too?

Thanks for clarifying. I find it odd that using the body of one woman to carry the egg of another is encouraged through commercial surrogacy agencies (Woman's Hour mentioned this). I can't help feeling it's to muddy the waters and encourage a separation of genetic/ birth mothers from the process.

From your post, it sounds like you learned absolutely nothing from yours.

No it isn’t. They’re two single men with partners.
Leave it to you and other weirdos on here to turn it into something weird

You don’t know them. They have absolutely no effect on your life at all whatsoever. And just like you, they just want to live their lives free from busybodies.
What is it about that that YOU find so interesting that you feel the need to call them “weird?”
Yeah - I already know.

Is being concerned for child welfare being a busybody, @DreamTheMoors ?

Have you heard of the Pause programme?
It's been very successful with serial birth mothers.
Speaking as someone who lost several babies to miscarriage, the drive to get pregnant again after losing a baby is VERY strong.
For mothers who keep getting pregnant and having babies removed, the pregnancy is often the only time someone pays any attention to her. The women in Pause say as much and now someone is helping them for them, not for the baby.

Yes we have.