Really worried about the possibility of “pay per mile”

[Yorkiepud2614]

I’ve been seeing more and more about this new proposal “pay per mile” that would replace car duty (I think). Which the average household bill somewhere around £450 - £600. Lots of reports that it may come in this October.
Living in the Highlands this would completely cripple us. Do people really think the new government will bring this change in?

It’s been popping up on a lot of new sites in the past 48 hours. Rumours are for October

What news sites?

I think they'll have pay per joke for electric vehicles eventually.

But also you'll not be paying that via the fuel pump so it'll be pretty much same thing.

But I wouldn't worry that come October you'll suddenly be paying this.

Anymore than I pay attention to how much my taxes have apparently been raised since July!

Currently you need to be really careful

A) what you read and

B) to read what it actually says and not what it's implying.

We are in a very dodgy era right now of misinformation or rather carefully worded propaganda dressed up as absolute fact!

They have literally removed my child's school bus service in his GCSE year and removed my bus service from where I live I have to drive plus caring for my dad who lives nowhere near me or public transport plus caring for my disabled son just exactly how are care in the community workers going to be able to work? I don't understand why the labour government is so intent on making it difficult to be old and poor it's disproportionately effecting poor people the ones who hoped we would get a flipping break

GB News and the express.

We also live in the Highlands & would be crippling for us too , we bought a smaller car which is cheaper on fuel & cheaper to run all round as the road tax is only £20 per year, which made a big difference to us. This pay per mile would would be awful, I should imagine it would put the cost of all deliveries up as well.

Also very unfair for those people who have done careful calculations when buying an electric car, and worked out that it'll "pay for itself" within X years/miles, to then find out the goal posts have changed, and they'd have been better off buying a old (polluting) petrol banger.

Ooo so a policy which wouldn't affect London but would have a massive impact on all the regions which are already economically disadvantaged.

It'll go as well as Manchester's Clean Air Zone launch did.

Oh wait...

"But it wouldn’t be possible to do 15,000 and pay £20 like you can now, which is fair enough…"

Is it though? For people living rurally on minimum wage?

Ulez is a great example of the infrastructure not being there.
the cameras are destroyed as soon as they are up and whole towns have been “ulez free” for the year it’s been running.

the bill to the tax payer must be ludicrous

they will need a different way.
black boxes as an idea were thrown out years ago due to the tracking issue
no ones going to be happy with mobile phone tracking - what about passengers or public transport users.

Its certainly cheaper where I am to run a car than use public transport

But at least it seems you've got public transport, @ALovelyCupOfNameChange
Round my way it's nearly all been stripped away, with the council prating about "active travel" which involves walking or cycling (and ££££ spent on cycle pathss in inappropriate places which few will ever use)

Great for their virtuous flag waving no doubt, but not much use to those who are able to do neither

Edited to add, as for the infrastructure, what's to stop notifications of mileage being required as part of an MOT? It'ss already overseen by the DVLA so it seems a mere detail for them to add this and charge from there

Quite notonyhestairs

Or I was going to guess the Telegraph.

It's told me lots about how much my taxes have gone up and how much my pension has been "raided".

In fact raided is a word I'm becoming to dread hearing as much as "reached out" 😂

The “old banger”
Which already had its worst emissions (manufacture) done and emitted. It’s not always better to mine and create new

We live in a village with a half bus service... To get to work I follow the bus the whole way there from my road to my office street, but can't use it cause it stops at 3pm.
If it ran til 6 id get the bus each day easily.

(I've emailed our provider this but they can't justify funds).
It's so frustrating, growing up my parents didn't drive so we used buses all the time and just not possible now.

They need to invest before I make the switch

Only public transport to the nearest town

which isn’t the catchment for the local kids.
It’s not the nearest supermarket
it’s not the doctors
its not the hospital

I agree with this as a potential consequence. At the moment you do pay per mile with fuel duty and vat but the motorways are very fuel efficient in my car, so it offsets the extra distance. But if it was literally per mile there are a lot of through town routes which are much shorter but very fuel inefficient.

MOT certificate? OK doesn't cover the two years with no MOT but I guess they could find a way of certificating it annually in a similar way.

Sounds like a technological and costly nightmare though.

We are also rural and its 8 miles to a supermarket. Awful public transport.

Trafford installed a bunch of new vultures to tackle speeding fairly recently.

We were out last night and noticed one had disappeared. This particular one has been placed in the spot an old camera had been and had met a similar fate some years ago.

I expect some of the other cameras I've seen about to slowly disappear over time too.

I’m not wholly against it, to be honest. It would need to be implemented carefully, to avoid some of the pitfalls already mentioned, but would certainly make people more mindful of where and why they are driving.

I used to live in inner London and even in Zone 2 (with plentiful stations and buses running down every main road) I had friends who would drive rather than take a short journey by public transport, just due to the convenience factor.

Unfortunately the road infrastructure, historical built environment and the space that we have is just not set up for every adult to drive a car wherever and whenever they want. It’s a whole-society problem.

There is not a chance of this happening btw. It's a bullshit story.

I also believe that public transport should be free.

It was much the same here in my busy city suburb, but at least it was something and now that's gone too

So you have zero evidence for this. Link?

And what if said car is hybrid and already paying 'super' car tax.

Will people tolerate this nonsense or will they stand together abd refuse to accept as the French certainly would?

There doesn't need to be any hard infrastructure in place. Just require an annual mileage submission for each vehicle owned and tax on that.

As in 5 weeks time? How on earth would that happen? Common sense would tell you thats inpossible

I'm pretty up with the news and this is the first time I've heard of it