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Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!

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InMySpareTime · 19/08/2024 14:34

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DuncinToffee · 30/08/2024 10:41

I thought we had the BBC and their 'balance' for that

Rummly · 30/08/2024 10:41

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 10:37

Why shouldn’t I come on this thread? I personally see it as a public service to point out Labour double-standards and hypocrisy. My favourite so far has been the WFA and the Damascene conversion of Labour supporters to benefit bashing.

And long may you continue. However remember in the last 14 years when some were doing the exact same for the Tories, it wasn't treated as a public service, but as one long whingefest. And in terms of ideological dissonance, it never ceases to amaze me the the Tories "the party of small state" are quite happy to throw billions at the sectors their mates work in to ensure they are "regulated" to the nth degree so the little person can fuck off.

Sauce, goose, gander and all that.

All very true.

HannibalHeyes · 30/08/2024 10:44

Frankly, any Tory supporter moaning about hypocrisy is, well, I'm sure there's a word for it...

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 10:44

DuncinToffee · 30/08/2024 10:41

I thought we had the BBC and their 'balance' for that

Or Clav

Rummly · 30/08/2024 10:47

HannibalHeyes · 30/08/2024 10:44

Frankly, any Tory supporter moaning about hypocrisy is, well, I'm sure there's a word for it...

It doesn’t really work like that. If a party and its supporters are hypocrites, then they’re hypocrites. You don’t get a free pass because your opponents are no better. Otherwise you’d have to accept that the Tories are also above criticism.

But, anyway, it’s all about who’s in government. That’s one of the prices of power.

Rummly · 30/08/2024 10:49

Efacsen · 30/08/2024 10:40

I personally see it as a public service......

Seriously? It's a thread on Mumsnet - what an embaressing thing to write

Jesus, what po-faced nonsense.

mibbelucieachwell · 30/08/2024 10:54

I wonder what the evidence/modelling for the proposed ban on smoking in public outdoor spaces is? I'm on the fence - the aim of changing the culture to one where smoking isn't a thing is obviously good. But could it be that something will replace smoking? I have the, admittedly uninformed, impression that all cultures use addictive substances: chewing khat, betel, smoking other substances - though that would be outlawed also presumably, alcohol , and probably more substances I don't know about. Is it human nature to (unfortunately) have a subsection of society who use/misuse substances? Will trying to make the practice less visible and less accepted reduce it or just result in something else replacing it? IYSWIM?

It definitely is undeniable that smoking close to non smokers is at best unpleasant for the non smokers though.

Are the harms of more socially acceptable substances more or less than tobacco smoking? What about alcohol? Does UK have a bigger problem with substance misuse than other countries? I suspect it does with drug misuse - Scotland certainly does - probably with alcohol too.

There's more than one way to skin a cat of course. Improving people's lives generally will presumably encourage less substance abuse.

Efacsen · 30/08/2024 10:55

Rummly · 30/08/2024 10:49

Jesus, what po-faced nonsense.

As you're the person thinking they're doing a 'public service' posting on Mumsnet you'll be the one posting 'po-faced nonsense' - it's laughable

Have you no self-awareness?

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 10:56

Why shouldn’t I come on this thread? I personally see it as a public service to point out Labour double-standards and hypocrisy. My favourite so far has been the WFA and the Damascene conversion of Labour supporters to benefit bashing

Not one person has said you shouldn't come on this thread. Not one. But there is no need to insult us @rummly

There has been no benefit bashing on this thread.

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:00

Efacsen · 30/08/2024 10:55

As you're the person thinking they're doing a 'public service' posting on Mumsnet you'll be the one posting 'po-faced nonsense' - it's laughable

Have you no self-awareness?

Try being a little less literal. And maybe a bit less spiky too?

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 11:03

I wonder what the evidence/modelling for the proposed ban on smoking in public outdoor spaces is?

And how it managed to miss vehicle emissions as a much bigger danger ?

Evidence based policy. What's that ?

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:04

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 10:56

Why shouldn’t I come on this thread? I personally see it as a public service to point out Labour double-standards and hypocrisy. My favourite so far has been the WFA and the Damascene conversion of Labour supporters to benefit bashing

Not one person has said you shouldn't come on this thread. Not one. But there is no need to insult us @rummly

There has been no benefit bashing on this thread.

OK. I meant benefit bashing the OAPs generally on MN. It’s been a sight to behold. Especially after Labour said in November how appalling such a cut would be!

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 11:04

Starmer has said the smoking ban is something they are considering, so not policy yet.

Efacsen · 30/08/2024 11:06

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:00

Try being a little less literal. And maybe a bit less spiky too?

When I need your [ridiculous] advice on how to post on Mumsnet - I'll ask for it, thanks

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 11:06

Is it human nature to (unfortunately) have a subsection of society who use/misuse substances?

One persons use is another persons misuse. Generally predicated on the morality of the day as interpreted by the ruling elite. It is a fascinating history surrounded with hypocrisy at every turn.

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 11:09

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 11:06

Is it human nature to (unfortunately) have a subsection of society who use/misuse substances?

One persons use is another persons misuse. Generally predicated on the morality of the day as interpreted by the ruling elite. It is a fascinating history surrounded with hypocrisy at every turn.

Yes, it seems odd in a way to ban smoking outside pubs which sell a substance that causes misery and violence to many users and their families.

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:13

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 11:09

Yes, it seems odd in a way to ban smoking outside pubs which sell a substance that causes misery and violence to many users and their families.

Roll on the legalisation of cannabis!

Peter Lilley was an advocate. It’s a good libertarian policy.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2024 11:34

I personally see it as a public service...

You do, do you?
🤣🤣🥸

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:38

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2024 11:34

I personally see it as a public service...

You do, do you?
🤣🤣🥸

Oh god, another one. 🤦‍♀️

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 11:40

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:38

Oh god, another one. 🤦‍♀️

Well you did sound somewhat pompous, so no surprise people are picking you up on it!

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2024 11:41

Esther Mc Vey's tweet doesn't surprise me one little bit. The UK Right has totally lost all sense of perspective. They only communicate in hyperbole now: banning smoking = Nazism, Jewish people calling a distasteful tweet "distasteful" = Bullying.

They also seem to revel in victimhood.🙄

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:50

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 11:40

Well you did sound somewhat pompous, so no surprise people are picking you up on it!

Hmmm, literalism and earnestness are obviously the name of the game on this thread (cat pictures apart of course). I expect I’ll get used to it.

Must be a bit wearing though. You know, all this holier than thou stuff. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a self-deprecating Labour thread on MN.

L1ttledrummergirl · 30/08/2024 11:56

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 11:03

I wonder what the evidence/modelling for the proposed ban on smoking in public outdoor spaces is?

And how it managed to miss vehicle emissions as a much bigger danger ?

Evidence based policy. What's that ?

Weren't the tories having a go at Sadiq Khan a few months ago for the ULEZ expansion?

Isn't that doing something about it?

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 12:07

Rummly · 30/08/2024 11:50

Hmmm, literalism and earnestness are obviously the name of the game on this thread (cat pictures apart of course). I expect I’ll get used to it.

Must be a bit wearing though. You know, all this holier than thou stuff. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a self-deprecating Labour thread on MN.

Must be a bit wearing though

Oh, the irony.

PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 12:09

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2024 11:41

Esther Mc Vey's tweet doesn't surprise me one little bit. The UK Right has totally lost all sense of perspective. They only communicate in hyperbole now: banning smoking = Nazism, Jewish people calling a distasteful tweet "distasteful" = Bullying.

They also seem to revel in victimhood.🙄

Yep. And being banged up for incitement to violence and racial hatred=banning freedom of speech.

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