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Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!

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InMySpareTime · 19/08/2024 14:34

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BestIsWest · 27/08/2024 12:54

The assumption that only people who earn over 100k work hard makes me so cross. I won’t bite though.

PandoraSox · 27/08/2024 12:55

Sorry, that post sounded a bit like a pity party! The benefit bashers do get to me sometimes.

Alwaystired94 · 27/08/2024 12:59

PandoraSox · 27/08/2024 12:55

Sorry, that post sounded a bit like a pity party! The benefit bashers do get to me sometimes.

Perfectly understandable! I'm currently in the process of applying for PIP and it's always got my back up.

I also hate like a PP said the assumption that higher earner = harder worker.

PandoraSox · 27/08/2024 13:16

Good luck with the PIP application @Alwaystired94 . Not an easy process!

Alwaystired94 · 27/08/2024 13:25

PandoraSox · 27/08/2024 13:16

Good luck with the PIP application @Alwaystired94 . Not an easy process!

It really isn't, just waiting for my assessment now I've added all of my evidence. Not looking forward to the experience of it all...

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2024 13:31

Alwaystired94 · 27/08/2024 11:32

Just been reading KS speech and this part really jumped out at me:

'We ended the national strikes that have crippled our country for years, because I defy anyone to tell me that you can grow the economy when people can't get to work, because the transport system is broken, or can't return to work because they're stuck on an NHS waiting list,' he said.

'We've done more in seven weeks than the last government did in seven years. And these are just the first steps towards the change that people voted for, the change that I'm determined to deliver.'

Maybe it's because i'm stuck on an NHS waiting list currently but i don't see how people have such an issue with the pay rises which are needed? Do these people genuinely believe our NHS is a lucrative career already?

The nhs is such a tricky one.

I've really struggled to get an apt with a Gp and only ended up with a telephone call because I was told to do nhs triage via 111 online and it was deemed I needed to speak to someone urgently. So I finally after 6 weeks of trying for in through the gatekeepers to a GP via this service within a few hours. I got a telephone call and was given a prescription and said if after 2 weeks I saw no improvement I could have a f2f.

I'm lucky that I could afford to pay to see an optician (£24 including OCT scan) because my eyes are part of the issue and turns out might be lots going on. Also that I could then afford the £12 for drops and £66 for reading glasses on top the £200 a year ago for general eye test and my glasses I need which I then got fee sunglasses too)

But the optician yesterday wrote to my GP via the computer system and I've already had an appointment for a months time with a glaucoma specialist.

I've found it isn't just the waiting lists as such but the ability to actually get an initial primary care assesment to get onto the waiting lists.

Mainly because if you have a job (especially certain jobs) you can't do the 8am gauntlet daily just to get through the door (until you do) to then wait all day for a phone apt that may come at anytime.

So you end up with people off sick with conditions that may have been preventable.

In my case it looks like I am at risk of developing glaucoma. Someone who isn't as educated, doesn't have the funds etc may not have been as lucky as it looks like I may be whereby some laser surgery could prevent it. That's not a dig. That's the sad truth of the situation whereby certain skills and money do talk

bombastix · 27/08/2024 13:33

It’s crap. My sister has terminal cancer. She now gets benefits to assist her. Paid higher rate tax for her entire working life. These idiots can only dream that such tragedy never happens to them. It’s what their numbskull posts represent

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2024 13:34

SerendipityJane · 27/08/2024 12:05

It's horrible to see how as a society we are failing so hard.

Who said we are failing ? A lot of people - admittedly Tory types - believe we aren't failing enough. Are we still wasting money on the disabled ?

We have a staff member with a BB. We have no Bb spaces at work.

We are a special school 😳 I've said to her she should be fighting for a space for her allocated for the days she works. It's the minimum.

Alwaystired94 · 27/08/2024 13:44

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2024 13:31

The nhs is such a tricky one.

I've really struggled to get an apt with a Gp and only ended up with a telephone call because I was told to do nhs triage via 111 online and it was deemed I needed to speak to someone urgently. So I finally after 6 weeks of trying for in through the gatekeepers to a GP via this service within a few hours. I got a telephone call and was given a prescription and said if after 2 weeks I saw no improvement I could have a f2f.

I'm lucky that I could afford to pay to see an optician (£24 including OCT scan) because my eyes are part of the issue and turns out might be lots going on. Also that I could then afford the £12 for drops and £66 for reading glasses on top the £200 a year ago for general eye test and my glasses I need which I then got fee sunglasses too)

But the optician yesterday wrote to my GP via the computer system and I've already had an appointment for a months time with a glaucoma specialist.

I've found it isn't just the waiting lists as such but the ability to actually get an initial primary care assesment to get onto the waiting lists.

Mainly because if you have a job (especially certain jobs) you can't do the 8am gauntlet daily just to get through the door (until you do) to then wait all day for a phone apt that may come at anytime.

So you end up with people off sick with conditions that may have been preventable.

In my case it looks like I am at risk of developing glaucoma. Someone who isn't as educated, doesn't have the funds etc may not have been as lucky as it looks like I may be whereby some laser surgery could prevent it. That's not a dig. That's the sad truth of the situation whereby certain skills and money do talk

I agree completely. The way the system has been over the last 15 years has meant the NHS is only good at treating urgent cases - and again only the symptoms. Diagnoses take years and require you to end up bedbound to be seen.

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2024 13:58

When people ask me if I've seen a GP about x y and z I often joke (despite it not being funny)

"No - because it hasn't killed me yet!"

I was originally diagnosed with cluster headaches - which I do think it is but didn't explain the continual annoyance still with my right eye.

I should be alright because I'm in the system now.

SerendipityJane · 27/08/2024 14:30

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2024 13:34

We have a staff member with a BB. We have no Bb spaces at work.

We are a special school 😳 I've said to her she should be fighting for a space for her allocated for the days she works. It's the minimum.

Distilling the message on another thread, why should she get any special treatment ? Most of us get by quite happily without special parking. At least 52%.

dontcallmelen · 27/08/2024 15:10

Alwaystired94 · 27/08/2024 12:59

Perfectly understandable! I'm currently in the process of applying for PIP and it's always got my back up.

I also hate like a PP said the assumption that higher earner = harder worker.

good luck with the application it’s very hard navigating the process whilst trying to keep sane, I’m positive they designed to be as difficult & stressful as possible
Bombastix very sorry about your sister💐
that blinking pp equating higher earner with hard work annoyed the hell out of me been a depressing few days again with bashing/scaremongering threads

Alwaystired94 · 27/08/2024 15:22

dontcallmelen · 27/08/2024 15:10

good luck with the application it’s very hard navigating the process whilst trying to keep sane, I’m positive they designed to be as difficult & stressful as possible
Bombastix very sorry about your sister💐
that blinking pp equating higher earner with hard work annoyed the hell out of me been a depressing few days again with bashing/scaremongering threads

i think so too! i'll be keeping my fingers crossed for the least amount of rudeness on it

SerendipityJane · 27/08/2024 15:27

Meanwhile, the Torygraph is continuing it's rather perverse crusade to convince us that she was the Mother of Christ, and it was us sinners that were the problem.

I hear bingo callers are referring to 49 as "truss a duck"*. The beauty of this is the Venn diagram of Truss fanatics and bingo players in the UK is so small that she might never know.

*This is of course a Made Up Fact.

ghostyslovesheets · 27/08/2024 17:31

Just drop the two child cap!

Owlbookend · 27/08/2024 18:37

Just popping into this thread for a bit of solidarity, as the mushrooming scaremongering threads are giving me the rage. Cant stand all the 'speculate about random potentially unpopular policy that labour havent even announced' and the 'higher earners work harder than anyone else - isnt it so unfair they have to pay more tax' stuff. I frankly had never come across the later before mumsnet. Would these people really like to swap places with a hospital cleaner? A home carer? An amazon delivery driver? A refuse collector? A retail worker? How do they think society would function if no one did this stuff? Are they really so short sighted to think peoples earnings = their value to society.
The idea that we pay tax not to 'get something back' individually, but so that we have a functioning compassionate society that benefits everyone seems like some kind of esoteric wildly left wing opinion.
Currently wiped out by the excellent nhs treatment im receiving so feel i cant go out their and argue at the moment. You all got the rant instead (sorry). I sound insufferably pious - im not in real life honestly 🙂

SerendipityJane · 27/08/2024 19:16

Owlbookend · 27/08/2024 18:37

Just popping into this thread for a bit of solidarity, as the mushrooming scaremongering threads are giving me the rage. Cant stand all the 'speculate about random potentially unpopular policy that labour havent even announced' and the 'higher earners work harder than anyone else - isnt it so unfair they have to pay more tax' stuff. I frankly had never come across the later before mumsnet. Would these people really like to swap places with a hospital cleaner? A home carer? An amazon delivery driver? A refuse collector? A retail worker? How do they think society would function if no one did this stuff? Are they really so short sighted to think peoples earnings = their value to society.
The idea that we pay tax not to 'get something back' individually, but so that we have a functioning compassionate society that benefits everyone seems like some kind of esoteric wildly left wing opinion.
Currently wiped out by the excellent nhs treatment im receiving so feel i cant go out their and argue at the moment. You all got the rant instead (sorry). I sound insufferably pious - im not in real life honestly 🙂

It will take a while for politics to return to normal.

Dumping Rishis £40 million toy helicopter is a start.

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2024 19:29

Owlbookend · 27/08/2024 18:37

Just popping into this thread for a bit of solidarity, as the mushrooming scaremongering threads are giving me the rage. Cant stand all the 'speculate about random potentially unpopular policy that labour havent even announced' and the 'higher earners work harder than anyone else - isnt it so unfair they have to pay more tax' stuff. I frankly had never come across the later before mumsnet. Would these people really like to swap places with a hospital cleaner? A home carer? An amazon delivery driver? A refuse collector? A retail worker? How do they think society would function if no one did this stuff? Are they really so short sighted to think peoples earnings = their value to society.
The idea that we pay tax not to 'get something back' individually, but so that we have a functioning compassionate society that benefits everyone seems like some kind of esoteric wildly left wing opinion.
Currently wiped out by the excellent nhs treatment im receiving so feel i cant go out their and argue at the moment. You all got the rant instead (sorry). I sound insufferably pious - im not in real life honestly 🙂

Rant away. I agree with you and have very the same on the threads.

What boils my piss most is the people hailed as heroes (eg carers sleeping in tents in care home gardens to protect their clients) now don't work hard enough (because they aren't high earners) and are taking the piss (wanting inflation matching pay rises).

Same with retail workers who worked through covid, teachers, health care staff, non men, cleaners etc.

All the people front facing who aren't furloughed and/or couldn't work from home have gone from keyworkers to the enemy overnight.

DuncinToffee · 27/08/2024 19:48

Rant away. These threads are just click bait.

In real life people will know more keyworkers than the fabled 6 figure earners

VimtoVimto · 27/08/2024 20:12

Just out of interest the average income of the top 10% last year was just under £67k and only 4% in the UK earn over £100k. They do seem to be over represented on Mumsnet though.

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2024 20:16

Hugely over represented on MN.

PandoraSox · 27/08/2024 20:19

VimtoVimto · 27/08/2024 20:12

Just out of interest the average income of the top 10% last year was just under £67k and only 4% in the UK earn over £100k. They do seem to be over represented on Mumsnet though.

Funny that, innit? There was one poster who claimed to pay £70k in tax p.a.

@Owlbookend excellent rant.

Saucery · 27/08/2024 20:20

VimtoVimto · 27/08/2024 20:12

Just out of interest the average income of the top 10% last year was just under £67k and only 4% in the UK earn over £100k. They do seem to be over represented on Mumsnet though.

Or their DHs are Hmm