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The home office declared it safe. IIRC, the foreign office had some different ideas. Which led to some rather interesting moments as home office spokespeople tried to distance themselves from the foreign office.

You may be thinking of Luke 17:2 / Mark 9:42 / Matthew 18:6 but those verses don't have quite the meaning you might have in mind.

It always amuses me that the Mail and the Sun get called all sorts on here, but the Mirror is treated as a serious and honest newspaper

Yeah, noone thinks that.

Some of the opposition to the Rwanda scheme among Labour fans seems racist to me, TBH

Care to expand on that and explain how it seems racist @Rummly ? I remember that accusation being made by the Tories, but they didn't explain why.

At the risk of getting expelled from the thread, is anyone kind of missing the Daily Tory Fuckup drama?

Don't fret, MrTiddles, conference and leadership election coming up. Hours and hours of entertainment ahead 🍟

Ffs, I've just flicked onto the days tv and radio schedules and am now traumatised by seeing Suella Braverman is covering James O'Brien's lbc programme today. This is Tory payback for my last smug post.

Here you go MrTiddles

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1827644404032585959

Another pearl of wisdom from the ex-PM & now ex-MP Liz Truss.

"I do want to see Trump in the White House... it's the most important thing for several decades... & he'll have a very positive impact on our country as well..."

The leadership election will involve each Conservative candidate rehashing the Reform manifesto with fewer details and zero costing.

I will be very interested to see how the Labour conference works this year and whether the central messaging is as well controlled now they are in power.
The media will focus on the fringe groups of course.

Someone needs to quiz her - and any Trump supporting MP - on the merits of Project 25/catcladies/Ukraine etc. Don't let them off the hook.

They should just give her a glass of sherry and sit her in the corner with a blanket on her lap and leave her to reminisce about false memories from the good old days.

Why waste any time on Liz Truss ? She's not an MP. She has no agency. It's probably best use use her as a money pit for whatever right wing idiot thinks she's a genius.

We also need to get AI trained on it:

If we use the "Truss" as a basic unit of measurement of each UK Prime Ministers tenure - one Truss being 49 days - can you rank UK Prime Minsters terms since 1900 in Trusses,
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Using "one Truss" as a unit of measurement, where one Truss equals 49 days, here's a ranking of UK Prime Ministers since 1900 by their tenure in "Trusses." I will calculate the number of Trusses for each Prime Minister's term:
Calculations:

1. Tony Blair (May 2, 1997 – June 27, 2007):
2. 10 years, 56 days ≈ 3,732 days / 49 ≈ 76.1 Trusses
3. Margaret Thatcher (May 4, 1979 – November 28, 1990):
4. 11 years, 209 days ≈ 4,226 days / 49 ≈ 86.2 Trusses
5. Winston Churchill
6. First Term (May 10, 1940 – July 26, 1945):
7. 5 years, 77 days ≈ 1,907 days / 49 ≈ 38.9 Trusses
8. Second Term (October 26, 1951 – April 5, 1955):
9. 3 years, 161 days ≈ 1,257 days / 49 ≈ 25.7 Trusses
10. Harold Wilson
11. First Term (October 16, 1964 – June 19, 1970):
12. 5 years, 247 days ≈ 2,078 days / 49 ≈ 42.4 Trusses
13. Second Term (March 4, 1974 – April 5, 1976):
14. 2 years, 32 days ≈ 762 days / 49 ≈ 15.6 Trusses
15. David Cameron (May 11, 2010 – July 13, 2016):
16. 6 years, 64 days ≈ 2,255 days / 49 ≈ 46.0 Trusses
17. Gordon Brown (June 27, 2007 – May 11, 2010):
18. 2 years, 318 days ≈ 1,048 days / 49 ≈ 21.4 Trusses
19. Theresa May (July 13, 2016 – July 24, 2019):
20. 3 years, 11 days ≈ 1,106 days / 49 ≈ 22.6 Trusses
21. Liz Truss (September 6, 2022 – October 25, 2022):
22. 49 days = 1 Truss
23. Boris Johnson (July 24, 2019 – September 6, 2022):
24. 3 years, 44 days ≈ 1,139 days / 49 ≈ 23.2 Trusses

Edward Heath (June 19, 1970 – March 4, 1974): 3 years

That’s brilliant @SerendipityJane

I think we should campaign for this to be introduced as a unit of measurement.

“How long have you lived in this village?”
”Not long. 5 Trusses.”

“Have you been married long?”
”Ages. 160 Trusses.”

Credit where it's due. ChatGPT did the leg work. Not quite sure why it chose the order it did though. One of the reasons to keep an eye on computer-generated content.

Well ChatGPT did a better job than that Global AI does on the other thread...

The secret is in the prompting.

An awful lot of "oh, grammar is so last century" followers are going to be well fucked when large language models are the main input to processing power. You know how AI has already been shown to be racist ? Well please do not be surprised when research shows that people will poor language skills get poor results from using "AI". We're just building another barrier to integration.

https://x.com/Altimor/status/1825659507617460439

I’ll just leave this here. AI Rick-rolling customers.

They are not even trying anymore

5 seconds advanced search is all it takes.

Did Labour get the UN security council to discuss the same concerns about the deteriorating situation and put out a press release about it back in April too then?

press.un.org/en/2024/sc15677.doc.htm

What has any of that got to do with a Mirror article from three days ago? Except to prove my point.

That the tory government did in fact know that Rwanda was not a safe a country and was lying to parliament and the country when they forced through legislation saying it was. That they were prepared to spend millions of taxpayers cash and put vulnerable asylum seekers lives at risk to apease the gammonati. And none of it was Labour's fault, not even Jeremy Corbyn's.

That thread is both hilarious and infuriating.

It doesn’t show that Rwanda is not a safe country as to conflict risk.

As I said above, the senior courts ruled against the government on the safety of decisions to be made about asylum seekers - ‘refoulement’. The original High Court judgment (in favour of the policy’s lawfulness) held that Rwanda was a socially and civically safe country. That part of the High Court decision was never overturned.

Since France accepts 27% of asylum applications and we accept 72% you might as well argue that France is an unsafe country for asylum decisions.

In any case, and again as I’ve said, I don’t support the Rwanda scheme. My point was that the Mirror is pushing Labour propaganda. That’s common across all newspapers on behalf of any particular party. I just point out that this isn’t a newsworthy or worthwhile story.