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What's going to happen to everyone arrested?

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peebles32 · 06/08/2024 18:00

So there have been 400 arrests. Courts are open longer and these idiots are been dealt with.
However, what will happen to them? I don't know much about the court system but I know there aren't enough places in prisons.
Will they get community service, fines etc

It obviously has to be tough to be a deterrent from others doing it. Will these people actually care if they have a criminal record?

I mean they just can't arrest everyone so how are they going to stop people rioting?

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sashh · 07/08/2024 05:04

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It could also be police stations and courts, both have cells / custody suites.

Then they will be sent to anywhere with space.

SprinkleOfSunak · 07/08/2024 06:13

I just saw that one person has been given a two month prison sentence for his part in the riots in Bolton I believe. It’s better than nothing, but two months is laughable.

I really think that these types of short sentences will be like a badge of honour to most of those who receive them, and I think will fuel their racist views further. I’m also very concerned about whom they will mix with in prisons, and with them so overcrowded, surely it’s inevitable that many of the rioters will end up being together in prison becoming further radicalised and even more of a danger when back on our streets.

BustingBaoBun · 07/08/2024 06:21

I don't think it will be a badge of honour when they lose their jobs/can't get a job, cannot travel to the US and possibly anywhere in the EU next year when the ETIAS comes in , when insurances go up and more.
Now this of course won't affect a career criminal, but there will be many whose lives will be affected forever

Edingril · 07/08/2024 06:24

BustingBaoBun · 07/08/2024 06:21

I don't think it will be a badge of honour when they lose their jobs/can't get a job, cannot travel to the US and possibly anywhere in the EU next year when the ETIAS comes in , when insurances go up and more.
Now this of course won't affect a career criminal, but there will be many whose lives will be affected forever

This is totally sticking then in a box but I am not sure many of them could find the US on a map let alone the directions enough to get to the plane to fly there

ProgressivePilgrim · 07/08/2024 06:40

SprinkleOfSunak · 07/08/2024 06:13

I just saw that one person has been given a two month prison sentence for his part in the riots in Bolton I believe. It’s better than nothing, but two months is laughable.

I really think that these types of short sentences will be like a badge of honour to most of those who receive them, and I think will fuel their racist views further. I’m also very concerned about whom they will mix with in prisons, and with them so overcrowded, surely it’s inevitable that many of the rioters will end up being together in prison becoming further radicalised and even more of a danger when back on our streets.

Yes, I saw that last night too. Apparently he was asking people to burn a hotel to the ground, a hotel that's housing asylum seekers. Surely that's incitement to commit mass murder? 4 months is an insult to the humanity of asylum seekers fleeing war and persecution. How on Earth is that justice when the JSO five got 4/5 years?!! I'm no fan of Just Stop Oil, but they're fluffy kittens compared with the racist thugs we've had the misfortune to witness in recent days. Where's the justice?! 😡

SprinkleOfSunak · 07/08/2024 07:02

@ProgressivePilgrim

Oh my goodness, that is truly awful! I didn’t know of the details. The sentencing does not make sense - especially when compared to those handed to others, as you mentioned.

crockofshite · 07/08/2024 07:04

AngelusBell · 06/08/2024 18:53

If in social housing, they will be considered to have made themselves intentionally homeless and won’t have homes to go to on release.

Presumably if they share social housing with family ie wife/ partner and kids, they'll be able to go back, unless the other half has an epiphany and boots them having realised what knobs they're shacked up with.

SallyWD · 07/08/2024 07:29

ProgressivePilgrim · 07/08/2024 06:40

Yes, I saw that last night too. Apparently he was asking people to burn a hotel to the ground, a hotel that's housing asylum seekers. Surely that's incitement to commit mass murder? 4 months is an insult to the humanity of asylum seekers fleeing war and persecution. How on Earth is that justice when the JSO five got 4/5 years?!! I'm no fan of Just Stop Oil, but they're fluffy kittens compared with the racist thugs we've had the misfortune to witness in recent days. Where's the justice?! 😡

There will be tougher sentences coming up. They've been very clear about that. They're dealing with thousands of criminals here. Let's just watch it all unfold.

tommika · 07/08/2024 07:37

SprinkleOfSunak · 07/08/2024 06:13

I just saw that one person has been given a two month prison sentence for his part in the riots in Bolton I believe. It’s better than nothing, but two months is laughable.

I really think that these types of short sentences will be like a badge of honour to most of those who receive them, and I think will fuel their racist views further. I’m also very concerned about whom they will mix with in prisons, and with them so overcrowded, surely it’s inevitable that many of the rioters will end up being together in prison becoming further radicalised and even more of a danger when back on our streets.

Two months custodial and £4,999 to pay

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24501202.horwich-man-prison-smashing-police-cars-morrisons-car-park/

ForYouManImADoomBoy · 07/08/2024 07:42

Edingril · 06/08/2024 22:09

Their benefits should be stopped

as far as i have been made aware, those who have been identified at the riots ARE getting their benefits reviewed. im not entirely sure what the outcome of this will be but its something i suppose

MushMonster · 07/08/2024 07:45

Really hoping here that no more people join in and the riots stop.
This is the hottest I have seen it in all my life.
I am glad these guys are in custody, it is a good chunk of them that cannot add more wood to the fire.

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 07/08/2024 08:15

@EducatingArti nah....6 months on remand? I know chaps who have been on remand years before their trial

I believe these idiots will be processed quickly though....short sharp shock

it's also the stupid clinger on females I'm enjoying watching, as they get their comeuppance!!

raincloudsandholidays · 07/08/2024 08:16

AmusedMaker · 06/08/2024 18:15

Well the government will never be able to say ‘our prisions are full’ if they’ve been able to find 500 places within a few days.

Totally agree

raincloudsandholidays · 07/08/2024 08:19

@AngelusBell
"If in social housing, they will be considered to have made themselves intentionally homeless and won’t have homes to go to on release."

If this is actually the case how does the government think crime will go down because surely all those rioters who once had social housing will have even less connection to society to hold them back? Plus no home, no job so even more dependent on the state?

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 07/08/2024 08:21

Why won't they have a home to go back to?

Unfortunately these idiots will have partners and family. The house will still be there

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 07/08/2024 08:23

Also, staff in prisons will be working with them post release..... prisoners are not just chucked out on the streets as homeless once they've served their tine

RedToothBrush · 07/08/2024 08:28

frozendaisy · 06/08/2024 18:55

They don't like forriners so surely being unable to travel will be a bonus.

You make it sound like they aren't screaming hypocritical bellends.

My favourite yesterday was seeing an article about the first armchair incitement to violence charge for online content.

Bloke pleaded guilty and there was a quote from his lawyer about his good character and how he was a family man. The lawyer had the surname Nazir. So he was being represented by someone who could well be targeted because of his actions. (Never mind the idea of how you can be of good character and claim to be a family man whilst inciting racial hatred which impacts families).

Anyway yes I think the UK government sharing information with the EU over violent conduct like this, and making it likely they will never step in Spain again is far more likely to upset these dickheads than a prison sentence.

They will scream about how unfair it is and how Brexit hasn't been done right cos they have not got their own way.

Whilst also saying we should keep violent criminals out of the UK. Yep we should. We've already got too many of our own.

Are we sure we can't come to some kind of deal with Rwanda to take them?

drspouse · 07/08/2024 08:29

L1ttledrummergirl · 06/08/2024 22:25

I didn't think they believe we should have defence barristers. Haven't they been vilifying Keir Starmer for defending criminals?

I bet those arrested won't want to face justice without one.

Funny that! Human rights for me, none for you, you dirty foreigners.

bombastix · 07/08/2024 08:29

ImikSiMik · 06/08/2024 20:44

Cyprus should tell him to f off in case he starts trouble over there. The home office should cancel his citizenship and passport pronto. This is such a golden opportunity to make a proper example of him. If they did it for Shamima Begum why not for TR?

Good point. I look forward to this happening.

SallyWD · 07/08/2024 08:29

RedToothBrush · 07/08/2024 08:28

You make it sound like they aren't screaming hypocritical bellends.

My favourite yesterday was seeing an article about the first armchair incitement to violence charge for online content.

Bloke pleaded guilty and there was a quote from his lawyer about his good character and how he was a family man. The lawyer had the surname Nazir. So he was being represented by someone who could well be targeted because of his actions. (Never mind the idea of how you can be of good character and claim to be a family man whilst inciting racial hatred which impacts families).

Anyway yes I think the UK government sharing information with the EU over violent conduct like this, and making it likely they will never step in Spain again is far more likely to upset these dickheads than a prison sentence.

They will scream about how unfair it is and how Brexit hasn't been done right cos they have not got their own way.

Whilst also saying we should keep violent criminals out of the UK. Yep we should. We've already got too many of our own.

Are we sure we can't come to some kind of deal with Rwanda to take them?

The people of Rwanda don't deserve these morons.

AngelusBell · 07/08/2024 08:36

raincloudsandholidays · 07/08/2024 08:19

@AngelusBell
"If in social housing, they will be considered to have made themselves intentionally homeless and won’t have homes to go to on release."

If this is actually the case how does the government think crime will go down because surely all those rioters who once had social housing will have even less connection to society to hold them back? Plus no home, no job so even more dependent on the state?

According to Shelter:
Keeping your home when in prison
It's important to try and keep your home so you have somewhere to live on release.
It can be difficult to find somewhere else to live if you give up a tenancy or get evicted.
If you have to ask for homelessness help on release, the council might decide you're:
not in priority need
intentionally homeless
They do not provide housing to everyone who is homeless and might just offer advice.

Shelter icon

Homeless help from the council - Shelter England

Find out how the council must help if you're homeless now, or could be homeless in the next 8 weeks. Some homeless people can get emergency housing.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/homelessness/get_help_from_the_council

bombastix · 07/08/2024 08:39

EducatingArti · 06/08/2024 22:47

If they are remanded in custody then their trial has to be within 6 months I think.

It seems like many of them so far are pleading guilty so no trial needed. Presumably they've been caught so obviously on camera/CCTV that even they can see it is pointless to plead not guilty. They will also get a slightly more lenient sentence for pleading guilty.

Given the racial element which aggravates the sentence the guilty plea is not going to be that helpful to these offenders.

The crying is pathetic, as is the family man stuff. These are not good defences to crimes motivated by hatred, where the culpability is high.

Ditto being pissed or being on drugs, which makes the sentence longer.

Likewise throwing things, picking up bits of wood or threatening conduct.

raincloudsandholidays · 07/08/2024 08:39

@AngelusBell

"According to Shelter:
Keeping your home when in prison
It's important to try and keep your home so you have somewhere to live on release.
It can be difficult to find somewhere else to live if you give up a tenancy or get evicted.
If you have to ask for homelessness help on release, the council might decide you're:
not in priority need
intentionally homeless
They do not provide housing to everyone who is homeless and might just offer advice."

So, they'll have less reason not to commit crime if they've lost everything anyway?

AngelusBell · 07/08/2024 08:42

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 07/08/2024 08:23

Also, staff in prisons will be working with them post release..... prisoners are not just chucked out on the streets as homeless once they've served their tine

The prison or probation service must refer you to a council's homeless team if you're:

  • homeless already or likely to be homeless in the next 8 weeks
  • being released in the next 8 weeks with nowhere suitable to stay
  • staying in probation or bail accommodation with nowhere to go next
They need your permission to do this. You can also ask the council for homeless help yourself. This is called making a homeless application.

If you qualify for release on bail or a tag
You need somewhere to stay before you can be released on bail or an electronic tag.
Court or prison staff may refer you to the Bail Accommodation Support Scheme (BASS) run by the charity NACRO if you have nowhere suitable to live.

Shelter icon

Homeless help from the council - Shelter England

Find out how the council must help if you're homeless now, or could be homeless in the next 8 weeks. Some homeless people can get emergency housing.

https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/homelessness/get_help_from_the_council

L1ttledrummergirl · 07/08/2024 08:44

Weren't prisoners being given tents on release if they no longer had a roof over their heads? Until the previous home secretary stopped this as being homeless was looked down on?