Time For The Army?

[RisingSunn]

I’ve just seen footage of rioters setting fire to the Holiday Inn in Rotherham and actually running inside.

What are they planning to do - beat or kill every migrant family?

Its just awful. Is time for the Army to be brought in?

Cant the riot police sort it out? He wont want military, looks bad for business.

The Govt cannot just summon the Armed Forces to help. They have to submit a MACA - Military Aid to Civilian Authorities -to ask for help. The ( Regulars) are not all sitting around bulling their boots. They are involved in other activities and Exercises, and have committments. If they ask to mobilise the Reserve, these troops need permission from their civilian employers to be released.

We need water cannons, and personally I’d bring the army in.

I wouldn’t put the unspeakable thugs in prison, though - quite apart from the dire shortage of cell space it costs the taxpayer a fortune. I’d fine them really heavily instead, along with community service - it’d be good if that could be enforced by the army, too.

The army are in the London Underground on a regular basis backing up the British Transport police. They are armed and it's pretty scary to see them.
A couple of tanks at Rotherham would be a great idea. Police are being asked to confront rioters throwing road islands. It completely undermines policing by consent.
Get a couple of tanks out and watch the idiots disperse.

Riot police with plastic bullets and more coshing to these knuckle draggers.

They can actually, that’s what the Civil Contingencies Act is for in part.

There is precedent for this, when armed police needed to be redeployed (2018?)

Armed patrols which had been all-police at diplomatic and government premises became 1x bobby + 1x military, thus freeing up a lot of firearms trained police for other duties

What army? We barely have one anymore.Those we have are in service . The Reserves would need to be called up to duty and their jobs left.

Have we used the army for riots before?

And in this case what happens after they stand down

The RAF does have infantry. They're the RAF Regiment and guard the RAF bases and forward operations such as Harriers operating from forrests, etc.

How the fuck can this be the case, given we had 14 years of conservatives and four weeks under labour?

As an aside I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many posters on MN quite so keen on the use of the armed forces…it’s usually anything but….reminds me of a poem..

”For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;”

I think it would be a big step and I’m not sure how you stop rioting starting again once they end deployment

The thigs would love the army. GIves them more importance. So all the more reason NOT to use the army.

A man who I considered to be quite bright once told me that the army was for the defence of the country and that soldiers shouldn't be used to police the streets.

There were simply loads of "send in the Army" posts in 2011, and for a few other crises. Sometimes I think it's a kind of magical thinking (wanting a deus ex machina to send deliverance from current ills)

I don't think extraction of a police-led operation would be any more difficult regardless of whether the boots on the streets were police ones or a mix of police and military.

Because the Army would deploy only within a MAC-A/P framework, which means police directing the operation throughout. The military stand down when the police tell them to

Yes, the army have been used to quell riots many times although mostly in recent history only in Northern Ireland.The SAS were sent in to quell a prison riot in Scotland in the 80s. And if you go further back, Churchill sent the army in against striking Welsh miners and of course the army were regularly used against civilians in the 19th century.

A* for knowing this off the bat

Are you sure? In all my years of using the tube I’ve only ever seen the army once a year at stations collecting for Poppy Day.

In the UK?

Yes - Operation Banner in Northern Ireland and Battle of George Square in Scotland.

I think the army version of riot control would be very different to the police. Squaddies wouldn't want to stand there with bricks training down on their heads. Their methods would be much more aggressive and would probably result in people beaten to death with wooden clubs.

The Rotherham footage is horrific, but I don't think 'bringing in the army' is necessary at this stage. The police need to call in reserves and make mass arrests.

We probably need the army to build some tent prisons on army bases to temporarily house all the people that need to be arrested.

I'm not sure about the Army but these thugs should be sent to prison in Rwanda or stuck in small boats in the North sea to see how they cope. We don't' need these people in the country.

I think they should be able to use the water cannons on them, the police might be in a better position if the last shit show of a government hadn't cut them to the bone

BLM had a legitimate cause to riot? That’s some take on events. Do you write Starmer’s speeches by any chance?

Incorrect.

What the police do for riot control has been learned from the British Army who actually stage riots on camp. So, soldiers are trained to handle riots lasting hours and being disciplined to follow only orders.