Time For The Army?

[RisingSunn]

I’ve just seen footage of rioters setting fire to the Holiday Inn in Rotherham and actually running inside.

What are they planning to do - beat or kill every migrant family?

Its just awful. Is time for the Army to be brought in?

Can't we just let them kill each other?

Sorry OP, I was quoting a previous response to me (badly), I think you misunderstood my position.

The legislation exists for the army to step in, the nuances of today’s situation will need to be addressed by those that make these decisions.

If the police do not squash this heavily within the next day or so then I do think that the army should be brought in.

I don’t think KS will worry about his image on this. The Rotherham incident today elevated the situation, you simply cannot have the police losing control and asylum seekers being terrorised in their supposedly safe place.

Totally disagree. I am just imagining what this situation would be like with Johnson or Truss as PM, worst nightmare ever.

Fancy talking about the next GE ! 😂

Have you seen the footage coming out of Middlesbrough this evening? Huge mobs of masked men going into a part of the city populated by non white residents and smashing up the place. This is beyond horrendous now and is eerily reminiscent of events in Germany in November 1938. Search Elon the space twats website for confirmation to see what I mean.

As a pp said, if it comes to the police being overwhelmed, outnumbered and injured (they are already in some places) I think it’s reaching the point that having the army behind them is, sadly, looking like it might be needed.

I am struck by how utterly shit he is as a speaker. For a barrister, he has no presence and no gravitas.

I think totally the opposite. He has gravitas, he speaks well and he doesn't do the well worn slogans and nonsense soundbites that the previous government used so liberally.

I agree.

You need a lot of boots on the ground, and block approaches.
The police use their powers to close roads, and if they don't have enough coppers to do that, use the military under police direction.

You might not get all of them, but you could make quite a difference.

(And tbh, if it were me in charge of the military planning, the units I'd deploy first would be Gurkhas. Tough and very literal, they would be absolutely excellent at manning roadblocks and other protective cordons. And would do exactly what the police asked of them)

Did you demand the same for the BLM rioters?

It feels to me that people were asking why they felt the need to act in a criminal manner rather than trying to put them all in the stocks.

Why the different approach with this group of miscreants?

Rioting is wrong whichever way you slice it.
But this has taken a sinister turn. It’s no longer looting shops and burning cars - which in itself is out of order and a disgrace.

But to set ablaze a building with families and innocent staff? To smash cars up or let them pass according to skin colour? They have been dragging out ethnic minority drivers out of their cars and one was stabbed yesterday.

There is a thread on here where a Muslim woman is afraid to go to work tomorrow. A country she was born in, educated in and is working as a professional - paying her taxes.

It is completely incomparable.

You’re having a laugh. That nasal, stuttering delivery.

Water bombs!?

What nasal stuttering? I think you're the one having a laugh 😂🤣😂
The grown ups are in power now. thank goodness

I think a key difference is that the BLM protesters/rioters were responding to the death of George Floyd, who was a black man murdered by a white police officer. And so whether or not you condone the behaviour, there was a legitimate cause.

In this case, people are responding to the horrific murder of three young children (and more injured), but they are targeting muslim communities and asylum seekers due to false information spreading online when the perpetrator was neither an asylum seeker nor a muslim. So I would say the different approach is because these protests/riots come from a place of ignorance.

With this unrest? It’s chaos and the press conferences aren’t doing much

You either can’t read or are just mischievous.

Starmer sounds like a nervous vicar, not a barrister and Prime Minister.

The “grown ups” line has already got very tired and worn-out.

Who are “each other”? Do you mean let the rioters and police kill each other?

This is your opinion. Why is it me being mischievous to disagree with you?

Weird. That's you being mischievous for not agreeing with me then!

I think he totally sounds like a PM who is in control.

I have colleagues who are wfh tomorrow. Hardworking, British born, British educated, British tax paying colleagues, who just happen not to have white skin.

One doesn’t feel safe venturing into the city, another doesn’t want to leave his wife and kids alone at home.

I am really fearful for the future of this country.

Yeah... 2011 unrest and riots under the Tories and David Cameron was pretty bad too.

Actually, the British Army is trained in riot control. Riot shields,snatch squads, stamping feet when on fire, etc?

All from the British Army's experience.

But Army is only deployed as a last resort when peelers are close to collapse.

Peelers can handle this.

If he was in control his first press conference would have had the desired effect

If it ends soon then he might get off the hook, if it doesn’t he’ll run out of strong words to use

Re the Army, it was on the news recently that the army would most likely cover things like Buckingham Palace and other buildings they secure/protect to free the police up that would normally be there.

George Floyd was an American man who was killed by an American police officer. It all happened thousands of miles away and had absolutely nothing to do with this country or this country’s own history of racial problems.

I very much doubt that Charles and Camilla are hosting asylum seekers at Buckingham Palace.

The point is they cover the duties of these police officers which then frees the police officers to join their colleagues on scene.