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Time For The Army?

152 replies

RisingSunn · 04/08/2024 16:18

I’ve just seen footage of rioters setting fire to the Holiday Inn in Rotherham and actually running inside.

What are they planning to do - beat or kill every migrant family?

Its just awful. Is time for the Army to be brought in?

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JohnofWessex · 04/08/2024 17:19

I am hoping the hotel in Rotherham has been evacuated.

If not I suggest that there needs to be a visible armed presence with live ammunition used if needed to protect those inside

Charlie2121 · 04/08/2024 17:22

Starmer and Labour are living on borrowed time already.

They’re too dense to realise that tackling symptoms without addressing causes is futile.

It is all so predictable. At least it guarantees we’ll only have one term and likely a reduced of Labour in government.

TheNoonBell · 04/08/2024 17:23

JohnofWessex · 04/08/2024 17:19

I am hoping the hotel in Rotherham has been evacuated.

If not I suggest that there needs to be a visible armed presence with live ammunition used if needed to protect those inside

That would likely turn things from protest/rioting into insurgency.

We need to be finding ways to calm down all sides and threatening to shoot people will not defuse the situation.

JoyousPinkPeer · 04/08/2024 17:24

Yes. Tear gas, water cannons, whatever it takes. Needs sorting out quickly.

Hummingbird75 · 04/08/2024 17:26

BustingBaoBun · 04/08/2024 17:05

Shame Johnson pissed more than £300,000 of taxpayers money up the wall on illegal water cannons.

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The legislation can be reversed and the water cannons can be used.

I think there comes a point when we have to consider public safety.
Johnson was advised to order them due to the predictions of civil unrest that could not be contained any longer. It is all well and good scoffing but right now we ARE facing a growing problem and it is essential that we restore order.

At some point we also have to stop calling everyone names and actually find out why these people are so angry and upset that they are coming on to the streets in the first place. We will get nowhere until we do.

Hatfullofwillow · 04/08/2024 17:29

1dayatatime · 04/08/2024 17:10

Only the blissfully ignorant metropolitan left would think it's a good idea to call out the Army (which is predominantly made up of poor white working class men) to do battle with poor white working class men, all the deriding them for being thick, poor, white and male.

I think calling out the Army to stop the riots is an all round bad idea and might not work out as you expect.

Yes, sending in troops is a stupid idea. But not for the reasons I think you're suggesting. Churchill used troops against striking miners, that didn't go down well & communities have long memories, so it's not unheard of.

The Police are also largely made up of white working-class men, it's never stopped them doing the bidding of the state; 84/85 miners strike, poll tax demonstrations, etc.

RafaistheKingofClay · 04/08/2024 17:30

1dayatatime · 04/08/2024 17:10

Only the blissfully ignorant metropolitan left would think it's a good idea to call out the Army (which is predominantly made up of poor white working class men) to do battle with poor white working class men, all the deriding them for being thick, poor, white and male.

I think calling out the Army to stop the riots is an all round bad idea and might not work out as you expect.

But offensive to assume all poor white working class men would act like this or even agree with this.

LlamaNoDrama · 04/08/2024 17:39

Looking at Twix it seems half of them are ex forces

lollipoprainbow · 04/08/2024 17:40

FragileWookiee · 04/08/2024 17:00

Two people were beaten with a hammer yesterday, one looked in a real bad way.
Keir Starmer hasn't got a clue what to do.
There's men aimlessly running the streets with machetes and the police are just standing by watching. Not just at these riots either. Machetes fights on seafronts (Southend) where there's families on holiday.

Ah yes but they were probably 'far right' so deserved it.

Conniebygaslight · 04/08/2024 17:44

Kebarbra · 04/08/2024 16:51

Starmer has given a press conference saying he isn't scared to call it far right thuggery, are you expecting them to take actual tangible actions as well as giving meaningless press conferences?!

Getting the military in (always the Army never the RN or RAF isn't it) would esculate things, absolutely should have planned for an escalation and police resources should be ready to deploy from other areas though- why isn't this happening? Shame we don't have Boris' water cannons to immediately get the area dispersed.

But Army is our land force, why would it be RAF or RN?

PuttingouthefirewithGasoline · 04/08/2024 17:45

Has cobra been called?
Absolutely get the army in.

PuttingouthefirewithGasoline · 04/08/2024 17:45

Who would want to go into the police after this.

PuttingouthefirewithGasoline · 04/08/2024 17:46

"they will face the law" he's already said that. People need protecting now.

Lilysgoneshopping · 04/08/2024 17:53

GrazingSheep · 04/08/2024 16:56

@Kebarbra
You mean these ones ?
Three unusable water cannon bought by Boris Johnson when he was mayor of London have been sold for scrap, at a net loss of more than £300,000.
Johnson bought the crowd-control vehicles from the German police in 2014, in anticipation of social unrest, without checking whether they could be used on London’s streets. In one of his most humiliating episodes as mayor, the then home secretary, Theresa May, banned them from use anywhere in England and Wales. It left the capital’s taxpayers with three expensive white elephants.

Yeah nobody's laughing now are they

BustingBaoBun · 04/08/2024 17:54

Starmer and Labour are living on borrowed time already.

You wish. 4 weeks in and you say this, it's funny

FragileWookiee · 04/08/2024 17:57

@lollipoprainbow yes that's what the majority on here believe when reading thread after thread. All whilst ignoring everything else that goes on.

Kebarbra · 04/08/2024 17:58

Conniebygaslight · 04/08/2024 17:44

But Army is our land force, why would it be RAF or RN?

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Because OP Temperer is tri-service? There are plenty of relevant branches and appropriately trained personnel across all 3. It doesn't really matter anyway but it's just curious how it's always bring in the Army when invariably it's usually a combo of all 3 services- especially given the low numbers of personnel we now have.

PuttingouthefirewithGasoline · 04/08/2024 18:02

Why can't the army defend places and form a wall behind police?
Like the hotel. What on earth has happened in that hotel?

WinterMorn · 04/08/2024 18:06

Even Hamza Yousef is now suggesting it’s time for the Army.

Charlie2121 · 04/08/2024 18:11

BustingBaoBun · 04/08/2024 17:54

Starmer and Labour are living on borrowed time already.

You wish. 4 weeks in and you say this, it's funny

Voted in with the support of fewer than 20% of eligible voters.

Literally nobody new is going to be attracted to Labour after what they have done so far. That means they’ve got no chance at the next GE if the right of centre are united again as a single party.

They are so much worse than most people ever feared and the bar was set low to start with.

LaeralSilverhand · 04/08/2024 18:11

1dayatatime · 04/08/2024 17:10

Only the blissfully ignorant metropolitan left would think it's a good idea to call out the Army (which is predominantly made up of poor white working class men) to do battle with poor white working class men, all the deriding them for being thick, poor, white and male.

I think calling out the Army to stop the riots is an all round bad idea and might not work out as you expect.

The idea that troops would somehow identify with a drunken rabble, and refuse to follow orders (which is what you are implying) is so hilariously wrong-headed, and ignorant of history from the Gordon Riots to Northern Ireland, that I can only assume you have never actually met a squaddie.They’ll be begging to be let off the leash to crack some heads.

Charlie2121 · 04/08/2024 18:12

WinterMorn · 04/08/2024 18:06

Even Hamza Yousef is now suggesting it’s time for the Army.

“Even”?

notimagain · 04/08/2024 18:12

What are people suggesting/thinking the military are going to be equipped with?

I’m guessing they don’t have access to police style riot gear in great amounts and there’s no way on earth live rounds are going an option …

WinterMorn · 04/08/2024 18:14

Charlie2121 · 04/08/2024 18:12

“Even”?

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Yes. Don’t you dare try to make my comment something it’s blatantly not. I was talking about him in the context of being a high profile political figure, and nothing else.

GradGirl · 04/08/2024 18:15

I think it’s time for the army to be on standby to back up the police. I appreciate that they don’t have the same training and this isn’t their mission but what is the answer when the police are losing control?

This isn’t the mindset of the country I grew up in. I’m absolutely ashamed of the actions of these thugs.

To think that some of my colleagues and some of the people who have taught me and championed me in my professional life are in fear of their safety on the streets of Britain, as much their Britain as anyone else’s with the right to life and work here makes me angry and thoroughly ashamed.

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