Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

Former industrial cities just left to fester with barely any jobs, no opportunities, lack of social housing and are easily scapegoated by political serpents like Farage

The government don’t help either, these people need educating on the real reason for housing crisis, lack of jobs etc

Deprivation, inequality Vs rest of England, perceived inequality with their near neighbours, lack of opportunity, lack of facilities, lack of integrated transport, segregation of some communities.....

All the above is just everyday life, sprinkle in some EDL / Farage /TR bullshit, bus in men who lack critical thinking skills and trouble kicks off.

I grew up in a deprived northern town. Left at 18, moved down south. No one down here has any idea how bad poverty up north is.

Gary economics is a good place to start if you want to understand the inequality in our society.

Not specifically Hays Travel, although I get your meaning.

If men/boys have nothing to aspire to in life because local industries were decimated decades ago with nothing to replace them, they need something to encourage them ans inspire them in life.

If they has that, I doubt so many of them would be turning to the likes of Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson etc.

Education is key. And a stable economy whereby it pays to be educated and know you'll get a good line of work afterwards.

they’ve been screwed over most by 14 years of tory rule and want someone to take it out on

@AvrielFinch I agree with lots of those- the problem is I'm afraid I think you have to change the mindset of some because I've seen some lovely initiatives like this in various places totally trashed by those who seem happy to 'shit in their own nest' and I doubt very much it's the local professionals - it's usually a kind of feral underclass who seem to respect bugger all , be it people or buildings or services - ( may I say of all races- not just white British twats)

I grew up in the same place, people are very quick to judge people as “thick” or “racist”, but it’s such a complex situation.

I do not condone the violence, or any racism. But there are northern towns that have been absolutely torn apart by unchecked immigration, people who refuse to learn the language, who are low skilled, and have come to live here on the false believe they will be given a house and benefits. There are neighbourhoods where white people just can not enter due to threats of violence from the people who have settled there. I simply would not be welcome on the street I grew up on any longer. In fact I have visited the town and have been spat on and verbally abused for being white, numerous times.

A lot of people really don’t understand how awful some of these towns and neighbourhoods have become, look at harehills. The first place to riot, it is predominately an area of high poverty and high immigration. (I now live not far from there and regular drive through, it’s awful, gangs of men hanging about the streets at all hours, who have very grim opinions of white women due to cultural beliefs, I dread driving through at night due to previous incidents.)

Until people and the government are going to accept some ugly truths about how immigration has failed in some parts of the country, mainly the north, there are going to be lots of angry people, with some of them turning to violence to voice their frustrations and anger.

The police handling of the Harehills incident was a massive catalyst of the current riots, e.g. two tier policing complaints.

I don’t know what the solution is as there is wrongs on both sides, but the media’s rhetoric of “thugs”, “racists”, “far right” of people who would class them selves as “ordinary” is not helping and only stoking the flames

When was the last time you went to Southport? I went a couple of years ago, after not having been for around 15 years. I was shocked. The main shopping street was mostly either boarded up, charity shops, turkish barbers or bookies. There were none of the "High St" stores that were there 15 years ago. On the promenade, there were derelict boarding houses, a couple of which had been burnt out. Lots of "dodgy" looking people wandering around like zombies. Won't be going back again any time soon.

The south has literally THE most deprived town in the whole of the UK

Give over. Tradesmen generally were busy before the incoming Polish people, were still busy when they were here, are still busy now they’ve gone. I should know, my dh is a long-standing trades person and never felt the difference either way. There was no ‘they’re nicking our jobs’ mentality fgs.

@Crikeyalmighty southport is because that is where those girls were murdered.
The rest of the places are deprived. I live in one of the places where there was a protest and an anti protest yesterday. Please stop accusing me of lying.
I have spoken to decent people I know who condemn the violence, and yet have repeated clear disinformation that have helped to fuel these riots. I have also in person heard a university student sneer at these people with no teeth rioting. And heard anti racist protestors shout Nazi scum at mums with kids.

The hate and divisiveness is happening on both sides, fuelled by lots of disinformation. The two tier policing is a big one, that is simply not true, but often repeated.
I too feel the weariness and some anger at how shit where I live has become. And how there are no free things any more to do, except a small local park and playground.

@RoyallyEFFEDOFF I agree with that but the problem is many don't want to listen- my old home town ( mining) actually had a fair bit of EU money at one point and various things opened - clearly none of that coming forward in recent years.

And 13 years of Labour rule before that, and x years of Tory rule before that. The problems in some of these Northern towns goes back decades. There's been no political will at all to deal with the underlying problems. An EU grant for some piece of artwork on a roundabout doesn't solve the problems!

They haven't been heard- many places in the north have been ignored by the Tories for 14 years-worse than that they have had 50-100 million stripped from their local council grants which was given to leafy Tory councils in the south. They lost the heavy industries in the 1980s and nothing has replaced them. Those that rely on fishing as a major employer have been lied to by the government
When the pits and iron and steel industries went, the knock on effects were vast- there were few other employers, the money went- salaries- the shops closed, the ports lost their main trade, all the associated industries left-transport, shipbuilding, local manufacturing using the products, processing of the products. It was devastating. NOTHING replaced them, or replaced them with industries of similar wage value. Many towns and villages have never recovered.
Newcastle, for example, diversified mainly intohospitality. The city centre, which can not sustain the number it shops it had, is full of cafes, bars, hotels , restaurants- which are mainly empty during the day. Hospitality jobs are poorly paid. In villages, many younger people left . Ex-mining villages are often mainly older populations with few facilities, no work to speak of and run-down housing. Those nearer big cities may have been luckier but many are really sad, depressing places.
People are pissed off.
It does not excuse them

But in accepting ugly truths, you have to accept the people who carried out these acts are "thugs", "racists" and "far right". Swastika tattoo? Seriously??

See, it cuts both ways. Which is why I've asked about solutions upthread.

I agree. We've owned our house for 27 years. It's always been a nightmare to get decent tradesmen. I saw no difference at all in availability, quality nor price of tradesmen at any point over those 27 years. It's no worse today than it was in 1997, nor 2005 nor 2010 nor 2015.

Agree. Look at the difference between how they handled the rioting in Harehills, to how they’re handling the rioting currently happening. The police in Harehills turned round and left the rioters to it, leaving the residents at the mercy of thugs, with little to no protection. Two tier policing right there.

The riots/protest where I live consisted of some far right thugs, some young male yobs who are looking for a fight, and a lot of ordinary families who have had enough of being poor and ignored. It is why the protests were called enough is enough, to pull in people who had just had enough of the reality of poverty in Britain.

I was very wary of TikTok but when you watch the Live stream you can really see what’s going on and what the papers don’t show.
There are lots of Black and Asian people speaking out about the immigration issue. They speak as a British citizen, not a skin colour or religion, which is how it should be.

The police turned around because they were out numbered. They had to flee in fear of their lives.
The rioting in Sunderland, the police force pulled in police from surrounding areas and cities to help. So they had enough police to fight back.

Could they not have pulled in police from surrounding areas at the Harehills incident, the same as they’re doing now? Not as if it was a flash attack, it went on all night.

Some actual disgusting horrible racists thugs will see this as an opportunity to be exactly what they are.

But amongst those who are rioting are people who are actually protesting, based on their experiences, and that is their right.

Tarnishing them all as the same is only going to make the situation worse.

Same as us - housing, access to healthcare, and a similar pittance allowance. Why?

This is exactly right and the conditions that far right groups and grifters use to organise and redirect anger at other marginalised groups, with a message of if only we were in charge we would get rid of all the insert scapegoat group and we would concentrate all our resources on you, and then you can have all the best jobs, housing and be safe from all the violence... now go lob a brick at someone "woke".

Seriously the only way the far right can be eradicated in the country is by lifting millions out of abject poverty and certainly not pandering to or legitimising any of their jingoistic anti immigration sentiments.

The police pulled back in Harehills because that anger was aimed directly at the police due to the police involvement in the removal of children by social services. Also because the community leaders in the area had a better chance or regaining control than the police did.

It went on for several nights, but the media got bored and buggered off