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Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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PhoebeMcPeePee · 04/08/2024 12:13

DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

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EddyF · 04/08/2024 18:51

These thugs all have the same look; unattractive as fuck. Just big bellies, scarlet red faces and missing teeth. The women are not much better. Seen a few wearing Kenye West trainers (presumably fake).

I hope they don't come to London. The kids in London are already on ‘smoke’. They won't shy away from smashing these dirty looking rioters.

wutheringkites · 04/08/2024 18:51

AvrielFinch · 04/08/2024 18:41

Just outside Leeds station serving coffee and food like scrambled eggs on sourdough toast and avocado.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186411-d2192738-r389793490-Laynes_Espresso-Leeds_West_Yorkshire_England.html

This is clearly fake.

I was walking through Leeds yesterday and literally the only thing on offer was sweetcorn served out of a cart outside Harvey Nicks.

AvrielFinch · 04/08/2024 18:51

There is clear racism and misinformation on this thread. There is also clear classism and a lack of understanding of the poverty being experienced.
All of this is fuelling the riots.

AvrielFinch · 04/08/2024 18:53

EddyF · 04/08/2024 18:51

These thugs all have the same look; unattractive as fuck. Just big bellies, scarlet red faces and missing teeth. The women are not much better. Seen a few wearing Kenye West trainers (presumably fake).

I hope they don't come to London. The kids in London are already on ‘smoke’. They won't shy away from smashing these dirty looking rioters.

This kind of hateful divisive shit does not help. Lack of teeth is about poverty.
And hating on people because of how they look just makes you sound stupid.

Howmanysleepsnow · 04/08/2024 18:53

I’m in one of those towns. Most white rioters have southern accents and travelled in. Though lots aren’t white…
I don’t think the riots are really linked to Southport, or immigration, though some far right groups are definitely trying to hijack the tragedy for their own agenda. There seem to be a lot of angry, discontent men (mostly) looking for an outlet.
The far right are heading to towns near Southport or with higher poverty/ discontent (so often up north where they feel forgotten by government) in the hope they get backing, but it feels, to me at least, like the instigators aren’t northern

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 04/08/2024 18:53

@AvrielFinch I doubt very much this thread is fuelling riots!

A lot are in their phones but I doubt it's mumsnet they are scrolling!

Zebedee999 · 04/08/2024 18:53

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 18:48

Hear hear. Saw another comment early in the thread about ‘white van men’ such ignorance about the skill and training it takes to be a master of your craft.

Who do they think builds stuff?! Including no doubt their nice £100k extension (yes I’m stereotyping and generalising in response to the post you quoted bleating the same ignorance)

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Precisely. Emily Thornberry Labour MP started the hate of the working class by the Labour party with her spiteful comments about "white man van". The Labour party no longer represent working class people, not surprised this has all kicked off now. At least the Tories pretended to be trying to do something about rampant immigration, Labour have no plan, don't want a plan and don't give a stuff about the working class most badly affected.

Leniriefenstahl · 04/08/2024 18:54

Devonbabs · 04/08/2024 18:40

Well try going to heartlands hospital in Birmingham and you might get a different perspective

Funnily enough I work in a hospital in a northern town with a large Muslim community plus lots of other ethnic minorities. Most of our patients are white working class elderly tbh.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 18:55

EddyF · 04/08/2024 18:51

These thugs all have the same look; unattractive as fuck. Just big bellies, scarlet red faces and missing teeth. The women are not much better. Seen a few wearing Kenye West trainers (presumably fake).

I hope they don't come to London. The kids in London are already on ‘smoke’. They won't shy away from smashing these dirty looking rioters.

I think you mean Kanye West not Kenye. And he also changed his name to Ye ages ago. The trainers I presume you are referring to are Yeezys.

llizzie · 04/08/2024 18:55

PhoebeMcPeePee · 04/08/2024 12:13

DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

I don't think the locality has much to do with it. The Labour Party promised change, and they were voted into power. What they did not explain was what the changes were.

The very night he won the election his first announcement was that the Rwanda scheme to send illegal immigrants would be scrapped immediately,

Sir Keir also said that he would process illegal immigrants from boats crossing the channel faster. What is now obvious is his idea of fast processing is to admit them all into Britain.

A lot of people who voted for a labour government did not realise that. In fact, I don't think any of us thought that we would have to pay for illegal immigrants, and in the first week in power, there were another 3,000 of them

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying or thinking anything racial. The fact is that Britain cannot cope with more immigrants, and should not cope with illegal immigrants.

A few days ago the Chancellor announced that she was taking away the winter fuel payments from pensioners. That bit hard, because there are so many pensioners whose income is just about the basic for pension credit, and to have that £400 or £600 taken away from them without notice is hitting hard. It was given in the first place because of the numbers of pensioners dying of cold.

At the same time she announced that the junior doctors would have their 22% wage increase. The two together makes it clear that the pensioners are paying for that. If they freeze to death, it would settle the care costs.

Next, almost in the same breath, she said she would have to raise taxes. All through the campaign Sir Keir promised that there would be no raising of taxes. He promised change as well. Since then, also, the hospital building programmes will be cut.

There are still school buildings with dodgy concrete to be rebuilt. Then Sir Keir announces that private schools will be charged VAT. What that means is that thousands of children will be taken from independent schools and send to state schools. Parents who opt for private education still have to pay for state education, just as private patients still pay National Insurance. It is never one or the other. How many state schools will be able to cope with an influx of students previously in private schools? We don't have enough schools, We don't have enough teachers.

All this and more has alarmed people. They feel helpless and don't know what to do and lash out. Such behaviour is unlawful. It is very wrong, and I wonder how it could be organised so quickly. There are people who think or want to have power, and they are INCITING others to do the same, just as happens on social media sometimes.

Word gets around after the terrible murders in Southport that a local person is the killer, and before long, it has risen and developed into the sort of event of old western films, where a lynch mob is formed to carry out a hanging on someone they think is a criminal, and the sheriff isn't acting fast enough. In this case, the rioters from outside the area thought the police were not acting fast enough, were not naming the person responsible. By that time everyone local knew, but because of his age, his name could not be given. That is why people thought they could take the law into their own hands.

It also means that there is no protection for minors. They will have to be named or a riot begins.

When the name of the boy was released, even though he was born in Cardiff, his parents are Rwandan, and that fact created resentment, because Sir Keir had scrapped the only planned deterrent. It is wrong, wrong, wrong, but once a rage has developed and the weather is hot, it takes a long time to stop it, and it is going from town to town.

Sir Keir moved too fast. He did not wait for Parliament to vote against the Rwanda plan. He doesn't realise that people associate one thing with another and it escalates. Then a youth of Rwandan parents commits the worse crime of all, and suddenly all Africans are wrong. Is it the fault of the education system? Is it that the chancellor just announced that the pensioners were losing the fuel payment to pay the junior doctors their 22%? Is it that he scrapped the Rwanda plan as deterrent and has not replaced it with anything else, or even debated it in parliament? Is it because the state schools are already short of teachers, and now have to find room for children leaving private education, also without a vote in parliament.

Sir Keir is giving people what he thinks they want. It is the communist way after all: everyone should have the same education chances, the same health chances, the same risk of hypothermia in the elderly that they had before the extra fuel payment?

Dibbydoos · 04/08/2024 18:56

sleepyscientist · 04/08/2024 12:14

Poverty and attitude

Wtf does that mean? Its condescending and utterly wrong! The north south divide is real with you isnt it?! Wake up! Noone remember the Tottenham riots? Brixton troubkes? Etc. No... obvs noone temembers what happens in London and the surrounding southern towns.

Southport is a northern town you umpties, Manchester is a northern city. Both had little kids killed and maimed. Add in the anniversary of Lee Rigby and its an absolute melting pot of anger and fear. Northerners stick together!

Loads of northerners witness extremists being able to spout shit about Brits in their markets. The police do nothing for fear of having the racist card drawn out.

Loads of northern towns are now so multiracial, white people are the minority.

These people causing trouble and a minority amongst those protesting. Its very likelythry are not ftom those towns but have travelled there.

I feel so sorry for the police officers getting hurt, for tjose whos property is being damaged, but mostly I feel sorry for the families and people affected by what has happened. We all need to put our arms around people affected not point fingers at communities.

2littlledarlings · 04/08/2024 18:56

Westfacing · 04/08/2024 18:25

The riots in Tottenham riots were in 2011 - what relevance are they to the past week?

It may be people are just fed up by two tiered expectations

Can you explain what you mean by this?

yes I know they were thank you, I was saying they do happen elsewhere rather than northern places only.

two tiered…..different rules or expectations for different types of people.
i live in a northern town this is an actual thing and it breeds unsettling behavior that explodes given the chance like has happened now unfortunately, again not saying it is right!

EddyF · 04/08/2024 18:57

AvrielFinch · 04/08/2024 18:53

This kind of hateful divisive shit does not help. Lack of teeth is about poverty.
And hating on people because of how they look just makes you sound stupid.

If they are ugly to me, they are ugly to me. Add in their nasty behaviour, calling them ugly is the least of a concern. I can't even eat whilst watching them as it turns me off my food.

So for everyone who suffers from poverty we must look away when they are looking to hurt others based on religion/skin colour? I think the fuck not.

Leniriefenstahl · 04/08/2024 18:57

Zebedee999 · 04/08/2024 18:53

Precisely. Emily Thornberry Labour MP started the hate of the working class by the Labour party with her spiteful comments about "white man van". The Labour party no longer represent working class people, not surprised this has all kicked off now. At least the Tories pretended to be trying to do something about rampant immigration, Labour have no plan, don't want a plan and don't give a stuff about the working class most badly affected.

‘Pretended to do something’ 😂. So they lied but that’s ok ?
The tories have never been a friend of working class northern folk. They decimated many a proud northern town with their defunct Neo liberal policies. They implemented Brexshit for a start which has done nothing but damage working class opportunities and aspirations. Give it a rest.
And fwiw most white van men have never voted Labour. Half of them fiddle their tax and don’t pay their dues, very much tories.

x2boys · 04/08/2024 18:57

Leniriefenstahl · 04/08/2024 18:54

Funnily enough I work in a hospital in a northern town with a large Muslim community plus lots of other ethnic minorities. Most of our patients are white working class elderly tbh.

Is that.in mental health ?
I used to be a mental health nurse in the northwest wi

Crikeyalmighty · 04/08/2024 18:58

We are all aware of these issues in provincial towns- believe it or not we have some not pleasant crapholes in the south too both within city's and rural - this though has been the case for many years- why justify doing it now rather than with the Tory's in power ? It simply us political agitation by the far right designed to rope in frustrated people as well as their own bunch of Nazi style yobs who don't line the fact the election didn't go their way- anyone justifying it needs a head wobble- nothing justifies looting, arson and police abuse- get on with campaigning peacefully - plenty of centre left people aren't pro endless third world immigration- I'm Not myself- but the fact is the Tory's lied to people with regards to Brexit-they certainly didn't tell people they would backfill gaps in essential service workforce by allowing whole families in from outside the EU ( and we aren't talking Us/Canada etc) - they also didn't tell people we would lose control of liaising with the French on cross channel asylum seekers either- blame the Tory's by all means- trying to cause agitation though now they are out of power is pure political opportunism- I hope treatment is harsh - the teenagers involved laughing and looting are a total disgrace- . if any teen of mine was involved I would be turfing them out.

Leniriefenstahl · 04/08/2024 18:58

@x2boys nope. Crit care.

TinklySnail · 04/08/2024 18:59

OhMaria2 · 04/08/2024 18:10

Decades of anti White working classism

Yes I agree, but I do feel SM has fuelled the rise of social discontent.
I’m of an age where I knew life before SM. You only knew what was going on by reading the papers, watching the news and local gossip. Now anyone can post anything and people are taking it as gospel.

EddyF · 04/08/2024 19:00

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 18:55

I think you mean Kanye West not Kenye. And he also changed his name to Ye ages ago. The trainers I presume you are referring to are Yeezys.

Yes, Yeezys. I have a few pair actually. Also, the majority of his people, I.e Black people, still call him Kanye. Him changing it to Ye means nothing to the culture.

Furthermore, this is Mumsnet…wasn’t sure they would understand ‘yeezys’ without putting his full name.

paperrockscissors · 04/08/2024 19:00

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 18:48

Hear hear. Saw another comment early in the thread about ‘white van men’ such ignorance about the skill and training it takes to be a master of your craft.

Who do they think builds stuff?! Including no doubt their nice £100k extension (yes I’m stereotyping and generalising in response to the post you quoted bleating the same ignorance)

Edited

Thank you. I'm so SICK of people making this kind of generalisation about tradesmen. My sister-in-law knows my brother and my dad are both tradesmen and I still remember the time when she referred to their jobs as being 'manual labour' during a family get-together (knowing full well that's what they do).

Its such a snobby generalisation and yet I know damn well they earn significantly more than what she will be as a school business manager, despite her first class degree. People make these generalisations but then they whinge and whine when they can't find a tradesman to build their extension or replace their kitchen because they are so in demand and its not as simple as doing a bit of 'manual labour' that any 'undereducated twat' could undertake.

x2boys · 04/08/2024 19:00

x2boys · 04/08/2024 18:57

Is that.in mental health ?
I used to be a mental health nurse in the northwest wi

Posted to soon there was a large Muslim community there too ,.many Muslims are very family orientated and like to take care of their family' members themselves, when we did have Muslim patients they were often extremely unwell and only at that point did their families seek help.

Crikeyalmighty · 04/08/2024 19:01

@Zebedee999 but that's simply not true-Labour have stated immigration is way too high and most certainly want to do something about it- or are you just parroting Farage etc- just because Rwanda was a shit idea doesn't mean it's come on in anyone's welcome!!

I've never read such a load of bollocks on here as I've read today-

WooleyMunky · 04/08/2024 19:02

Because the posh middle-class types like Stephen Yaxley Lennon have gone on expensive foreign holidays for the duration...

Another2Cats · 04/08/2024 19:02

Bouliegirl · 04/08/2024 13:10

I’m in Scotland, and although we have a similar demographic to the north of England, we don’t seem to be seeing the same issues with riots at the moment.

is Scotland just a bit more left wing? A bit more tolerant? Or just a bit colder?

No, you really don't have the same demographic to the north of England at all.

Were you seriously not aware of that?

In Scotland, according to the 2022 Census, around 1 in 14 people are non-white.

In the North West (eg Manchester, Liverpool etc) for example, according to the 2021 Census, around one person in 6 is non-white.

Lifeomars · 04/08/2024 19:03

pleasehelpwi3 · 04/08/2024 18:14

Oh, hello racist!
I can't understand why people want to burn down libraries, throw beer bottles at police horses, punch asylum seekers and smash up someone's car because they are of Asian appearance all the while shouting 'This is England' and 'Tommy, Tommy!'

But you can understand all of that? Guess that makes you a racist, or at best, an apologist for racists.

What also mystifies me is why they love Tommy Robinson so much given he lives abroad and has an Irish passport and tends to clear off at the first sign of any trouble he has stirred up. Pops back to the UK to cause bother as he did at that march in London last week, shows his film on a massive screen in Trafalger Square when he full well knows he is not allowed to and then legs it back to Spain or the Algarve or wherever who is backing him is paying for . He's a "journalist" these days apparently!

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