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PhoebeMcPeePee · 2024-08-04T11:13:57+00:00

DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified. He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

Livelovebehappy · 04/08/2024 18:06

Devonshiregal · 04/08/2024 18:02

This is really…erm…prejudiced? You think the north is full of unemployed men who have become criminals due to poverty. Have you ever been to the north?

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I thought the same. Mining up here disappeared decades ago. And fishing isn’t a huge industry here in the North. Never has been. I would say fishing is probably something which might have been big in Scotland, and even down south on the coasts there. The only place in the North where fishing is still a big part of the community is probably Hull.

Goldengamer · 04/08/2024 18:06

Nothing to do with the North , just areas of the UK where there is more trouble in general . I’m in Portsmouth on the South coast , we did have a bit of trouble here but not to the extent of up there. My husband is in Glasgow for the weekend and said nothing happened there . All very civilised and was his first visit, he was surprised how lovely the city was.
This was always a ticking time bomb , High immigration , shortage of homes, uneducated drug induced parents with feral children , gang mentality …. Of course it was going to happen , just a case of when and the recent murders of those poor girls just tipped the balance

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FolkestoneMassive · 04/08/2024 18:06

Some people have been in the U.K. for several years, decades even, and still can’t speak even basic English. They need an interpreter for their NHS appointments and it costs the state a lot of extra money. It seems wrong that we pay for ongoing refusal to integrate while someone else’s teeth are falling out because he can’t access an NHS dentist due to government cuts.

Hoppinggreen · 04/08/2024 18:08

I am not usually one for conspiracy theories but I imagine Putin is very pleased by all this.
I also find it interesting that this has happened after Labour was elected, it is almost as if some Right wing influences are trying to cause trouble for them.
If immigration has got "out of control" under The Tories then why have these riots occured almost as oon as The Tories lose the election?

drspouse · 04/08/2024 18:08

I see the racists AND snobs are out in force.

TinklySnail · 04/08/2024 18:08

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 18:04

I think there were more than TR posting this and I agree it was almost like the match to the tinder box.

It seems this has been simmering and coming for a while and a culmination of recent violent incidents in a close time frame including the soldier being stabbed in Kent, police officers being attacked in Manchester then the police officers actions involved in the incident, then the Southport stabbings, all along with the ongoing COL crisis, the last government seemingly only looking after their rich mates and the way the media portray everything which is usually skewed one way or another, I think it was going to happen soon if it hadn’t now.

Algorithms and Social Media are also heavily to blame here I think. I also think the media need to look at themselves too for some of their part in this resentment building.

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Absolutely, It certainly was more than TR but because he is a mouthpiece his statement went further.
SM is not our friend currently. Too many people saying things that are not true and other people not fact checking before sharing.

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 18:09

Livelovebehappy · 04/08/2024 17:55

They might not be going to the riots currently going on, but they’ve certainly had their fair share of riots in the past. And on a far worse level than the ones we are experiencing now. London has a lot of low level crime going on, as well as knife crime. I wish people wouldn’t paint London as some sort of Utopia. It really isn’t.

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I’m not referencing London I started that they are kidding themselves if they think the whole of the south east is an integrated place - it isn’t! There are many villages In Home Counties where there is no diversity.

AvrielFinch · 04/08/2024 18:09

Hayliebells · 04/08/2024 18:04

Well obviously there are lovely places in the North. But not everyone can experience them because not everyone has the means to travel to them. Try walking around a suburb of Bradford and you'd have to agree it's a world away from the Yorkshire Dales. The locals probably can't afford the bus fare.

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Exactly. I admit I am jealous that Londoners get free public transport for kids. It would make a massive difference. Public transport is so expensive.

OhMaria2 · 04/08/2024 18:10

TinklySnail · 04/08/2024 17:57

Isn’t it?
TR was the one ‘influential’ person, via SM, that said the Southport perpetrator was a Muslim.
Had he not posted this misinformation I doubt the protests would have happened.
What, in your opinion, is the cause of the protests if you don’t believe it to be misinformation spouted on SM?

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Decades of anti White working classism

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 18:10

Hoppinggreen · 04/08/2024 18:08

I am not usually one for conspiracy theories but I imagine Putin is very pleased by all this.
I also find it interesting that this has happened after Labour was elected, it is almost as if some Right wing influences are trying to cause trouble for them.
If immigration has got "out of control" under The Tories then why have these riots occured almost as oon as The Tories lose the election?

I agree with you and it probably isn’t a conspiracy is it?

Livelovebehappy · 04/08/2024 18:10

Hayliebells · 04/08/2024 18:04

Well obviously there are lovely places in the North. But not everyone can experience them because not everyone has the means to travel to them. Try walking around a suburb of Bradford and you'd have to agree it's a world away from the Yorkshire Dales. The locals probably can't afford the bus fare.

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I live in a Bradford, and it’s very deprived in areas. But the Lakes and Yorkshire Dales are only an hour’s car drive from here. And in fact we have Howarth on our doorstep, so far untouched by the issues in Bradford. There’s a good train network connecting us to the Lakes and other national parks.

Alltheyearround · 04/08/2024 18:10

RaspberryRipple2 · 04/08/2024 14:56

I have long thought that the placement of asylum seekers in hotels was politically motivated and centred on previously ‘red wall’ areas that voted Tory in 2019 as a pro brexit vote - as a tool to keep racism alive in these areas and attempt to keep them Tory (which didn’t pay off due to the reform swing). This happened in my town and there was a constant low level of vitriol on social media about it (a Mainly working class former mining town with very low levels of ethnic diversity).

Agree ^

2littlledarlings · 04/08/2024 18:10

There has been plenty of riots in London, Bristol. The ones in Tottenham forgotten?
it’s not that people are racist, areas are FLOODED with communities that are not interested in intergrating at all in instances.
funniest thing I have saw all weekend tho is nobody has posted about the matters going on?? Or the posts haven’t been allowed to be saw but this one has?
It may be people are just fed up by two tiered expectations
btw I am not in agreement with the riots but can understand why it’s happening to a degree.

pleasehelpwi3 · 04/08/2024 18:11

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mumedu · 04/08/2024 18:11

Gymnopedie · 04/08/2024 17:01

When you live in some of the most deprived areas in the country, where the heavy industries that were the backbone of those areas have gone with nothing to replace them, when the shops are boarded up, I do understand that it must be difficult to be living in poverty and hearing about the millions being spent every day to house refugees and asylum seekers.

My neighbour (we live in one of those deprived areas) has several houses he lets out. They're done to a very high standard, I've seen them and he is no rogue landlord. He is contracted with the Home Office to make some of them available to to the refugees and asylum seekers. They pay nothing. The government covers it all. No rent, no council tax, and no utilities. The latter is significant - while pensioners shiver in the winter, these people have the heating on 24/7 (and even in the summer). That's got to sting.

If the properties are damaged, often deliberately as a protest that the Home Office isn't processing their claim fast enough (so nothing to do with my neighbour), the HO picks up the bill.

Rioting isn't the answer. I cannot see how they think setting fire to a library or a police station helps their cause. But I understand some of their anger.

My neighbour thought he was doing a good thing providing these homes. Now he would like to get out.

Well they are not allowed to work while they hang in limbo so obviously the HO would have to pay. If the claims were processed more quickly, people could get on their feet, work and contribute to society.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 18:12

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And this is again where media should hang their heads in shame, releasing first only the last part of the video before the full video of what actually happened. They constantly stoke division, whether it’s ’far left’ or ‘far right’ they constantly divide people and sensationalise.

FolkestoneMassive · 04/08/2024 18:12

There’s a lot of racism in the UK against white British people. Ironically often from other white British people. (I’m not white British so I feel I can say that.)

mumedu · 04/08/2024 18:13

FolkestoneMassive · 04/08/2024 18:12

There’s a lot of racism in the UK against white British people. Ironically often from other white British people. (I’m not white British so I feel I can say that.)

This is ridiculous. Is Suella Braverman posting again.

chaosmaker · 04/08/2024 18:13

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/08/2024 14:58

But what they say isn't illegal and until it is, they are a legitimate party.

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I thought they were a ltd company and don't understand how they could stand as a political party at all. bnp got proscribed years ago but that is the root of ukip which is the root of reform ltd

A lot of the rioters identify with naziism and I've read a lot of glorifying of it from people that say they are 'patriots' in their twitter bios

Summerflames · 04/08/2024 18:13

1dayatatime · 04/08/2024 16:47

@SilverCatStripes

"What’s really eye opening on this thread are the posters who absolutely refuse to engage with any discussion or debate about the underlying reasons as to why this has happened, and seem incapable of realising that their closed minded approach is contributing to the problem."

Furthermore if you point this out to them then you too are labelled a racist fascist sympathiser. And so society becomes ever more divided.

It works both ways though, surely? Yes we can listen, understand and agree that there's large areas of deprivation and poverty in the UK and we can look at demographics who feel they are marginalised and left behind. I'm from a northern mill town, and have never had money, I understand what that is like.

But on the flipside, the people on that side of the argument need to listen to people when they say they object to racism. And find ways of tackling the societal problems together. I know exactly the sorts of things I would do to help my local community if I was lucky enough to win the lottery (never gonna happen though).

People are society. We come in all packages and forms, races and religions. We should try to tackle issues together cohesively. I can't see how trashing cities has helped anyone.

pleasehelpwi3 · 04/08/2024 18:14

2littlledarlings · 04/08/2024 18:10

There has been plenty of riots in London, Bristol. The ones in Tottenham forgotten?
it’s not that people are racist, areas are FLOODED with communities that are not interested in intergrating at all in instances.
funniest thing I have saw all weekend tho is nobody has posted about the matters going on?? Or the posts haven’t been allowed to be saw but this one has?
It may be people are just fed up by two tiered expectations
btw I am not in agreement with the riots but can understand why it’s happening to a degree.

Oh, hello racist!
I can't understand why people want to burn down libraries, throw beer bottles at police horses, punch asylum seekers and smash up someone's car because they are of Asian appearance all the while shouting 'This is England' and 'Tommy, Tommy!'

But you can understand all of that? Guess that makes you a racist, or at best, an apologist for racists.

Omlettes · 04/08/2024 18:14

Shudacudawuda · 04/08/2024 12:22

This.

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Because of poverty, corrupt councils and high rates of immigration legal and illegal.

Its the same dynamic historically everywhere.
Also crucially Labour and Conservatives did nothing about the grooming gangs across the north for fear of looking racist

Enigma52 · 04/08/2024 18:15

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 04/08/2024 17:50

The incorrect information being spouted on here is astounding. Most asylum seekers are around the south, specifically London and surrounding areas. So that theory is out. The highest percentage of Muslims live in and around London also, so that’s out. Most racist attacks and abuse happen south of the Watford gap, so that theory is also out. It is not 1978 and the north isn’t full of mines and steelworks anymore, so the ‘poverty’ theory is also out. And most riots actually happen in big cities-such as London-which has seen more than its fair share of violent looting and rioting.
The simple answer why the current riots are in the North this time, is because the murders happened in a North West town-and some idiot on social media started bleating on about the murderer having arrived illegally on a boat and travelled north-when the truth is that the kid was born and raised in Cardiff. He has Rwandan heritage, but he is British. He’s a home grown murderer-and if he’s radicalised then he was radicalised on British soil

This exactly! 👍

Livelovebehappy · 04/08/2024 18:16

Hoppinggreen · 04/08/2024 18:08

I am not usually one for conspiracy theories but I imagine Putin is very pleased by all this.
I also find it interesting that this has happened after Labour was elected, it is almost as if some Right wing influences are trying to cause trouble for them.
If immigration has got "out of control" under The Tories then why have these riots occured almost as oon as The Tories lose the election?

I think it’s more likely that people concerned about immigration know that Labour will do nothing to address them, and will actually make things worse, rather than any right wing influences. I think people realised we we’re screwed under a Tory government, but that we’re going to be more screwed under Labour. People didn’t vote for Labour because they like them and thought they would get us out of this mess, but more that they just disliked the Tories more and wanted them out. No-one is really expecting the UK to do any better under Labour.