Why is it a particular type of, usually men, who are normally the instigators of civil unrest?

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It can’t be that they’re all just disillusioned or angry or even just thick. It largely seems to be working class men (and yes some women). When I passed the Tommy Robinson March last week when I was in London, it was a very similar demographic although I must admit it looked mainly quite calm.

I feel angry for the families of those poor girls, it’s beyond dreadful what happened to them but the rioters must know that they’re not helping them at all (or themselves).

So is it just racism? I saw some of the videos on X last night of black men and Muslims being singled out and attacked and can’t really think it’s down to anything else. The footage was shocking.

There will definitely be an overlap and I would be very surprised if (just a personal hunch) at least 80% of them who did vote, didn’t vote Reform.

Good question. History suggests you would have a political party and thug group if you have far right views. See BNP and the NF.

That's the way I was thinking.

But this is more mainstream.

We still haven't started to address the size of the Reform vote. That worries me more than the riots, actually.

They don’t THINK they are marginalised. They ARE marginalised. They live in places with no job prospects. The hopelessness sets in early, they so they perform poorly at school. They are stuck. And successive govts have forgotten about them. The problem is multi-generational and it is an absolute scandal. And now they can’t get appointments with doctors and dentists. Hearing 100 migrants are being housed in a local hotel at huge expense to the public purse enrages them because it confirms
they are back of the queue, forgotten.

I abhor the violence but I have compassion for the difficult circumstances experienced by many white working class Britons. I support their peaceful protest that demands for them not to be neglected and forgotten.

Agree. 10 million votes for Reform mean what? We have no idea really how much was protest, I don’t like the Conservatives, I’m a massive racist, ex BNP, whatever.

What I did notice is that Farage, out of all the parties has been the only leader to equivocate. No doubt it suits him, bur does it look like tacit endorsement which is how some will take it?

The Conservatives need to be the opposition but the longer they are without a leader then you have this void of where right wing people can be mainstream. Instead you’ve got something really racist and violent filling that space.

The Conservatives need to be the opposition but the longer they are without a leader then you have this void of where right wing people can be mainstream. Instead you’ve got something really racist and violent filling that space.

Yes it's all in free fall isn't it?

The Labour government won almost by default and the conservatives are still looking as organised as a dropped blancmange.

We really do need to start the post mortem on on the election result. We've barely opened one on the Brexit referendum. We've had a lot of tribal shouting but how are we going to move on from any of this?

No idea. We're the BLM rioters the thuggish wing of the Labour Party?

It's poverty, plain and simple. There's then the correlation between poverty and poor a academic results which leads to a lack of options/choices for them as young people. Poverty can lead to people wanting reasons for their tough lives and it's very easy to blame refugees, government, the immigrant next door etc. This then leads to xenophobia and racism rather than fighting to break the poverty cycle by working your arse off to get out.

It's awful but while there's so much poverty out there it will continue.

Absolutely not condoning it as they are racist scum but I bet pretty much every single one didn't have a stable upbringing with enough money to have choices.

Oh ffs they're are so many tone deaf people on here. I share their concern about violent illegal immigrants,open borders and two tier policing and I'm not poor just a woman with daughters who hates violence (including these protests).

No idea on any of it. I think the Conservatives are toast if they pick certain leaders. We don’t really know what they stand for anymore, and that’s the problem. But I think it will be hard for them to be credible on immigration. If that’s the driver of the right wing vote (I would hope not) then they are finished. They can never compete with a much edgier party like Reform.

And if that had been 3 black girls murdered by a white man the same idiots on here would be all understanding about the ensuing riots. You seem more upset by the riots than what triggered them.

The Southport killings do not appear to have had anything to do with race. Why are you so keen to make them about that?

This would be especially true if you were burning down your own home town and the facilities in it that you and your family members rely on

None of us have a clue yet so cannot confirm in one way or another.

The "trigger" doesn't make any sense.

One Brit teen killed three Brit children, and stabbed many more.

That crime had nothing to do with immigration.

This is just a tinderbox that any lie or whisper can ignite.

Because people like you would automatically assume they did if the races had been the other way round and would condone rioting. We don't know either way if this was race related.

I think the ones rioting in the streets probably are pretty thick, tbh. The smart ones who share their views are hiding behind their keyboards, pulling the strings and keeping their hands clean because they have more to lose.

And there are also large numbers of law-abiding people, who wouldn’t dream of rioting or attacking people or starting fires, who have some sympathy with them. And the marginalisation of them and refusal to engage with them is the reason we had Brexit and the reason Reform got so many votes. I don’t agree with them, but ignoring them just makes the resentment fester and grow.

@FolkestoneMassive add to that genuine sen, reading issues and so on that our education system can't handle.

As an aside many of the men seem to be the same stature

Let’s just wait and see if they can establish a motive. I doubt they’ll release it at the moment, tensions are too high and whatever it was will of course be intolerable. It could well be a ‘pure MH’ issue, but none of us know at the moment.

Yes I agree @rainbowsponge. My point was that people on here would have condoned rioting if the races had been reversed (just as they did the BLM riots before there was even due process).

Not true.

The government could have easily built enough social housing. It didn't as it is a Tory Government and has no interest in anything apart from making the rich richer.

Also I can't imagine many of those making the Nazi salute s etc would wake up early to go to work and put a good shift in. I could be wrong of course - they could be hard working neo Nazis with a strong work ethic.

Also the numbers aren't high when spread across the UK. Much more is spent on vanity projects for the government.

These excuses are similar to those made by the KKK in Southern America. Unfortunately this country has a racist undercurrent.

I've personally worked with young boys from Afghanistan, family murdered horrifically by the Taliban for working with the UK/ US as a policeman, they had to leave as they would be murdered next. Made it to the UK and have experienced verbal and physical abuse. 'This us my community, you're taking my job, my house etc' followed by a punch.

It's shameful.

A massive increase in immigration is pretty good if you’re middle-class. Plenty of cheap labour for you to take advantage of, and your nice semi is miles and miles away from any problems a huge influx of mainly young single men is going to cause.

It’s a bit different if you’re poor and working class, live in expensive shitty accommodation with mould on the walls in a blighted town centre and when you complain to the police about being menaced by one of the roving gangs of North African or Albanian men they come and caution you for your racist attitude.

Your post reminded me of something I saw on social media yesterday.

I saw the same meme but the rich guy is saying “give that man half your cookie” which I think is more accurate!

People tend to protest about issues that affect them. You don’t see many hedge fund manager's on protests about freezing benefits or cutting child support.

The myriad problems caused by huge increases in immigration have almost no effect on the middle classes at all. Therefore they feel able to sit around in their nice houses in leafy streets (in white neighbourhoods natch!) kvetching about “racists”, “Nazis”, “morons”, “thugs” and (bizarrely) “bald men” (as if the amount of hair you hahas anything to do with it).

But we had the NF in the 70’s/80’s.

There was much less immigration then.

It’s always been a white male thing.